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To add to his theme, he had white space aliens civilizing an African tribe as the origin of Wakanda and their technology and did not at all understand why Rena and I immediately said it was racist.
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
To add to his theme, he had white space aliens civilizing an African tribe as the origin of Wakanda and their technology and did not at all understand why Rena and I immediately said it was racist.
Yooooooo
What the what?
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@GF said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
What the what?
In his original stuff, the Kherans from Wildstorm - white, Greco-Roman inspired alien superhumans - brought civilization and technology to Wakanda.
I’d hope that’s not still in there, but he’s got space Genocide and supervillain Hitler and a ton of other insane shit so it wouldn’t shock me.
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@Prototart Yikes.
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@Prototart Yeah, I’d tap out.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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@Jennkryst said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
@Prototart Yeah, I’d tap out.
Like I swear to god that if anybody talked to me that way rl they’d get to meet security
But I’m curious if she’s gonna take it seriously as the completely inappropriate behavior it is or, like, just ignore it & hope it goes, cus that’s like hands down the single most out of line shit I’ve received from anybody on a game staff since UH.
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After about 24 hours with no response:
You paged Shakespeare with ‘Please let me know when you’re available to speak.’
Idle message from Shakespeare: Currently idle, please try again later!
Shakespeare (S) pages: I’m in my final day of prepping for a coding interview tomorrow, I won’t be able to deal with much mush stuff until after it’s done.
Shakespeare (S) pages: Reminds me I need to put my idle back up.
You paged Shakespeare with ‘So, I’ll speak to you on the day after tomorrow, then? Or would you prefer I just not, and all this goes away until the next time he explodes on someone?’
Shakespeare (S) pages: I made time yesterday to get a response to you so you weren’t waiting longer to hear anything. I don’t have time now. After my interview tomorrow I’ll look at what you’ve sent and we can discuss it.
You paged Shakespeare with ‘Works for me.’so, it’s going great!
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
After about 24 hours with no response:
You paged Shakespeare with ‘Please let me know when you’re available to speak.’
Idle message from Shakespeare: Currently idle, please try again later!
Shakespeare (S) pages: I’m in my final day of prepping for a coding interview tomorrow, I won’t be able to deal with much mush stuff until after it’s done.
Shakespeare (S) pages: Reminds me I need to put my idle back up.
You paged Shakespeare with ‘So, I’ll speak to you on the day after tomorrow, then? Or would you prefer I just not, and all this goes away until the next time he explodes on someone?’
Shakespeare (S) pages: I made time yesterday to get a response to you so you weren’t waiting longer to hear anything. I don’t have time now. After my interview tomorrow I’ll look at what you’ve sent and we can discuss it.
You paged Shakespeare with ‘Works for me.’so, it’s going great!
Just to be clear - someone who is literally prepping for a job interview took time out of their job prep to write a fairly extensive response to you (in order that you didn’t wait too long on a response), and is now politely asking you to wait a day more until after said job interview for follow-up, on an issue involving a game that is not really time sensitive as there are no deadlines for you resolving your character issue?
I get that the response from the other staff person was not super professional, and the situation itself is frustrating.
But it sounds like this Shakespeare person went above and beyond at first, and honestly did more than I probably would if I were a staffer at a game and I was worried about something in my professional career.
Isn’t almost every motto “RL comes first” ?
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Glorified internet chat rooms always come last. It’s not remotely time sensitive, I just find that “made time” line frustrating - like, what? That just rubs me the wrong way. Nobody talked to me, I responded to a job and 24 hours later, when there wasn’t a reply, I asked about it.
And honestly, it doesn’t really have much to do with a “character issue.” Like - I spent, maybe three hours on that app? It’s an untaken character I was familiar with, with an aesthetic I like, that I could use to do stuff with my friends in the HFC. Not exactly a passion project. The total lack of consistency across apps is definitely an issue that they need to address, and it’s the kind of thing that bothers me - like, if I wanted some batshit insane powerful character there’s Blue Marvel, Exodus, there’s a ton of ultra-powerful characters on their roster I could have got approved in under ten minutes. It’s an issue, but it’s not the issue.
The issue is a staffer using the Royal voice to insult and demean me as a representative of the entire game. And it’s not the first time he’s been wildly inappropriate with me - when I requested the character I have now he told me no, that I needed to go outside my comfort zone and maybe do something with the Titans (uhm, no), and then he immediately went Dark when I told him I was in fact a grown woman capable of making my own decisions. Frankly, that this is someone I was on relatively friendly terms with for a decade makes it even more inexcusable and indefensible than it would be on its own, and it would be entirely inexcusable and indefensible on its own.
It’s an ongoing pattern of behavior with him. Every single complaint I’ve heard someone make about staff on that game has been about Chaucer, both in the colloquial sense of “people complaining” and in the official sense of, people have issued complaints. He’s exploded at guests and players for asking if they could do things from comics he thought were stupid, each time prompting lengthy tirades about why the entire genre - and especially, what that person likes and wants to do - is idiotic. He’s made abrupt pronouncements on what is and is not appropriate for someone to play, and on HOW someone should play (IE, the character I apped could never do anything social - like, The Joker was being played until the Titans harassed him into quitting the entire game). He’s made sweeping changes to played characters without ever bothering to speak to the people playing them, which I know for a fact has led to people dropping them outright.
I don’t particularly give a shit about the character. I wiped all of the character’s traits and had Shakespeare take her off of my Account. It’s, whatever.
What I give a shit about is, is this kind of behavior condoned by the person who in theory runs the game? If I stay there, will I continue to get shit on by someone who’s only interest in being there, dealing with a genre he openly sneers at, usually appears to be writing an ever-expanding timeline everyone but the friends he writes into it ignores (including Shakespeare, who I truly believe has no idea how little in common the game has with Marvel and DC) unless they’re forced to drop a character because he rewrote their entire background to fit into it one day and occasionally making bizarre posts about The Right Way to MUSH or proudly introducing rules for stats the game doesn’t even have? If I try to play another character, will I get another tirade about what a piece of shit I am from someone who repeatedly and without prompting went over Shakespeare’s head to my benefit when he liked me?
That’s the issue.
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
Glorified internet chat rooms always come last. It’s not remotely time sensitive, I just find that “made time” line frustrating - like, what? That just rubs me the wrong way. Nobody talked to me, I responded to a job and 24 hours later, when there wasn’t a reply, I asked about it.
The issue is a staffer using the Royal voice to insult and demean me as a representative of the entire game.
100%. And with this added context, it does sound like that’s the problem.
It just seemed like you were upset at the one person going above and beyond to try to make things better, too. And IMO he seemed to really be empathetic.
Although if he’s also ignoring systemic bad behavior, all the platitudes to the player don’t help.
Sorry for butting in there.
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I’m not mad at Shakespeare, no, merely frustrated that she appears to believe this is a character issue and not (another) instance of Chaucer being wildly unprofessional.
Either he’s completely unethical and needs to be dealt with, or staff there thinks it’s acceptable - among all the other things he’s done - to say shit like “you’re not worth our time and effort.” For not being active enough for his preferences. During a period where I’ve seen my dad collapse and shit blood everywhere. To read three pages of text.
There’s not really much wiggle room there.
I’ve had a shocking number of current and former players tell me that I shouldn’t have bothered, that this will all just be spun as me being a ~problem player who didn’t get her way~, and that I shouldn’t expect better from a group who had no problem with how UH was run until one of their friends went from enabling it to being targeted by it, but - call me naive, because I’d like to hope that a woman would understand how this shit is not at all okay.
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I’m gonna be real, I don’t really read this person’s responses as being “wildly unprofessional” or “completely unethical.” This quote…
This is a pattern of a player not interested in sustaining the game through RP and Claudine’s too much of an investment of time and energy on our part.
…probably doesn’t feel great to receive, but I don’t see an issue with the actual sentiment? It reads to me like “this particular concept would require particular time and investment from staff to work through to reach something that fits the balance of the game as it exists right now, and if we’re going to do that, we want it to be with a player who has more history on the game.”
I don’t know this guy, I don’t know the game, but I actually think “this particular concept doesn’t work for the game right now and it’s too much time investment for staff” is actually a pretty valid thing for staff to say. It seems pretty normal to me that some concepts staff would want a bit more experience with a player before working through, I’ve seen that plenty over the years. It doesn’t sound like it’s the time investment of “reading three pages of text,” I imagine it’s the time investment estimated for negotiation and revisions to make the character workable in the game.
she/her | playlist
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@Roz said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
I don’t know this guy, I don’t know the game, but I actually think “this particular concept doesn’t work for the game right now and it’s too much time investment for staff” is actually a pretty valid thing for staff to say.
He enthusiastically approved the concept before I made him mad, at which point I was no longer worth their time nor energy.
It’s a pattern of behavior. I wouldn’t care about “I don’t think this will work.”
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@Prototart did you make him mad, though?
I wonder how much of this wasn’t like-- being too eager to approve without realizing the extent of something. I know when I staffed with like, Roz and Tez and co, I would sometimes get excited and approve something only for them to later point out something in staff chat that I didn’t think of.
Then you have to be the one to bear the brunt of like, yeah this was a premature approval, sorry about that. But mostly it doesn’t seem like there’s anything between the approval and then the take back of the approval that would have made him mad? So it had to be something on the staff side that changed; which, could be someone else pointing out the amount of work. Or am I missing context?
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@Meg said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
@Prototart did you make him mad, though?
I’ve known him for like a decade. So, yeah, I’m pretty confident in saying when he steps beyond his usual condescension to actually being angry about something. I’ve been told no plenty of times, including there, including by him
The “premature approval” note is because he thought it was just a concept pitch (which he loved) and not the entire app as well. When I questioned him during the app, it went from “give me a few days on this” to “You’re not worth it.”
The context of the game is that it’s a comic game. Somebody played Joker there. There are immortal vampire serial killers. It is, even for a comic game, an insanely high-power environment. Nothing about any of my shit was out of place, he just got pissed at me and does what he does when he doesn’t like something - yells.
ETA: like, I realize some people want to assume the best, but this has nothing to do with concept shit. If a character has at any point there been approved, they go on the roster. If you pick up a character on the roster, approval is automatic if you don’t want to make changes. There are multiple characters on the roster who could destroy entire continents and are totally irredeemably insane.
It’s not that something didn’t work, it’s that he got mad.
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
The issue is a staffer using the Royal voice to insult and demean me as a representative of the entire game. Frankly, that this is someone I was on relatively friendly terms with for a decade makes it even more inexcusable and indefensible than it would be on its own, and it would be entirely inexcusable and indefensible on its own.
What I give a shit about is, is this kind of behavior condoned by the person who in theory runs the game? If I stay there, will I continue to get shit on
If I try to play another character, will I get another tirade about what a piece of shit I am
I don’t know anything about your history with this game/staffer, but I’m just going to say : characterizing that denial as “shitting on you” or “insulting and demeaning you” or going on a “tirade” about “what a piece of shit” you are is …bad. This is bad arguing, and it is bad for your name cred.
Like, someone can do something wrong or questionable without it having to be a Dire Personal Insult.
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@hellfrog said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
I don’t know anything about your history with this game/staffer,
You’re right, you don’t.
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@Prototart Doesn’t change the fact that you didn’t show the things you claimed (that I quoted).
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@Prototart said in Comic Games Are Fun!:
It’s not that something didn’t work, it’s that he got mad.
That sounds like something didn’t work, then. If he got mad and subsequently didn’t want to deal with you, but still maintained a level of professionalism when telling you they don’t want to deal with you? That’s… fine.
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