The SA In Games Thread (Good Luck)

Roz

@Shygaming said:
Can you imagine how compelling The Handmaid’s Tale would have been if all the women were actually secretly into what was happening to them? If everyone in Gilead had enthusiastically consented then you have not made the story safer. You have removed the entire point of the story.

The same is true more broadly. A kidnapping story where the hostage wants to be kidnapped is not really a kidnapping story. A horror story where the victim wants to be hunted is something else entirely. A dystopia where everyone genuinely enjoys being oppressed has lost the thing that made it dystopian.

buddy i don’t know how to tell you that the CHARACTERS are not the same thing as the PLAYERS. the CHARACTERS are not secretly into it. the CHARACTERS are experiencing a horrific nonconsensual trauma.

if you think that a player cannot happily RP a thing that their character is horrified or traumatized by — sorry, but that’s a skill issue.

and, again, you are still going to be attracting players who are into the CNC aspect! you have built tools for it. they will still have their kinky fun. CNC refers to the PLAYERS engaging consensually with the topic, not the characters. it’s non-diegetic kink.

it’s just that this overall perspective actually prioritizes players who are into inflicting stuff specifically on those who don’t want it. they want the other PLAYER to feel violated, not the characters.

so it’s just like — you are disdaining the players who might enjoy this together but in a way i guess you find icky?? But you are enabling the players whose goal is actually OOC harm.

you should much prefer having the CNC kink players to the latter.

Apos

the myth of consensual SA rp. isn’t there someone we forgot to ask

Tez

I did some thread surgery to remove Jumpscare as looking like the originator of this thread. Apologies to anyone who was disrupted by that.

ETA: Previous thread here: https://brandmu.day/topic/690/paroxysm-split-off

Roz

@Kestrel said:

Calling it wish fulfilment is wild. I had my character attacked at sea, drowned, swallowed by a whale, and kept trapped in an underwater dimension for a week at one point, none of which I wish to experience IRL, nor did I require control over the story, or need to know what was going to happen in order to enjoy it.

to be fair, it can be wish fulfillment in the sense that people are into the topics in a fictional setting that they don’t want to happen IRL; that would just mean the wish being fulfilled is doing RP/story around the concepts. you can find folks happily kinking on any of those scenarios. these can just be masochism, breathplay, vore, and confinement

which is, again, why i think it’s silly for a line to get drawn around the idea of not wanting CNC kinky players to enjoy the noncon RP in a kinky way. like, buddy, people kink on all types of horror a whole lot

Pavel

Finally, someone who uses PvP semantically correctly but incorrectly in every other way.

Kestrel

MisterBoring

@Kestrel It’s gonna be okay.

Meg

Quick someone tell me what CVC is and why I should care about this new term. I am not making any apology for any of this.

My preferred term is playfighty.

Tez

@Meg Character vs Character as opposed to Player vs Player.

Meg

@Tez I figured that out right after I posted, but now I think it’s funnier never to know.

Sorry, I don’t understand and I can’t read.

Wizz

@Roz said:

buddy i don’t know how to tell you that the CHARACTERS are not the same thing as the PLAYERS. the CHARACTERS are not secretly into it. the CHARACTERS are experiencing a horrific nonconsensual trauma.

it isn’t a misunderstanding. it’s such a hardcore RPI community thing, blurring the identity line and doing it deliberately, in the name of “realism and immersion” or what have you, and 1000% of the time it is crazy toxic and weird. we’ve had other visitors with this mindset on display and it really is a fundamental difference in how games have been approached for a long time.