JKER Banned Discussion Thread

[Pavel]

Blanking the post to remove a badly thought out joke. Leaving post so the curious can see the edit log.

[mietze]

@Pavel Wow. OK.

[Pavel]

@mietze It was a reference, from the before times. >_>

[mietze]

@pavel that was a pretty hellish time for me. i didn’t appreciate my name being invoked then and i don’t now. didn’t think that could hurt still but it sure does.

[Pavel]

@mietze I am enormously sorry. I didn’t think before I wrote.

[IoleRae]

This post is deleted!

[Tez]

Deleted since IoleRae deleted.

[IoleRae]

@GF

Thank you.

[mietze]

@Pavel i appreciate the apology. I hope you understand why it felt like a very low blow.

[Warma Sheen]

@mietze said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

I don’t understand. How is that NOT creepy-ass behavior?

I don’t understand how that is. Sending someone a link to a forum post doesn’t really rate for me, specifically in the context of the conversation being had.

In fact, it just kind of reinforces the argument that anyone can call anyone else creepy just to weaponize the term and expect everyone else to take it seriously.

Do I agree with anything that was said or done? No. But calling someone creepy just to trigger people’s alarms on them is also problematic. They can be held accountable for their more accurately described behavior.

[Pavel]

@Warma-Sheen said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

I don’t understand how that is.

Sending private messages to someone with whom you have no prior association, simply to dredge up an old discussion with vague allusions to how this thread makes a third party a bigot or otherwise horrible? That’s pretty fuckin’ creepy.

[helvetica]

@JKER said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

I suggest you either just ban them off the bat or you offer actionable advise which the sexpests will still ignore

Couldn’t have said it better. We’re witnessing a poorly executed attempt to start to a whisper campaign. Gotta say if this was a game we were all playing on, I would want to see this person gone.

But we’re not on a game? I’m on the fence, it’s early, and I don’t yet have my good words. I do know that I place a higher value on making sure two existing members of our community feel comfortable in this space than I do on being fair to some rando.

[Pavel]

@helvetica Agreed.

He hurt my friend, so while I’ve expressed my opinion in the admin group chat (not as exciting as it sounds), I’m not putting forward any official vote so as to avoid bias.

Were it up to me, I’d personally set this person on fire.

[BloodAngel]

[Warma Sheen]

@Pavel said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

Sending private messages to someone with whom you have no prior association, simply to dredge up an old discussion with vague allusions to how this thread makes a third party a bigot or otherwise horrible? That’s pretty fuckin’ creepy.

I don’t think most of that is anywhere near accurate. He was clearly responding directly to someone that argued a point he made with what he thought was evidence of that point. It was very direct.

That is basically the format of the forum. That’s what we all do here. One person makes a point. Someone else argues against it. The first person backs up the point they made.

If what makes it ‘creepy’ is that he decided to share his evidence privately through DM rather than try to blast IR publicly, then you might want to consider disabling DMs or change the policies to ban people from DMing others without prior permission.

[GF]

I have fairly specific definitions for creepy, so to me, JKER’s DM was not that. What it was is unacceptable, because:

-it took a public feud private, implying there’s something to hide about this particular action, which makes me feel complicit in something underhanded
-it drew me into a literal whisper campaign of character assassination–you know, the kind of thing certain people are so vehemently against allowing-- without my having expressed any interest in being part of one and with JKER knowing I wouldn’t be interested, as proven by their telling me not to respond to the DM because neither of us would enjoy it
-it offered no arguments, just an offensively transparent Barnum statement that whatever I read in that enormous thread that made me mad is the proof they were talking about
-it tries to get me to validate a year-old feud by using me as fuel for the metaphorical fire
-it does all these things about someone I like and trust enough to believe doesn’t deserve this level of disrespect. I like to believe I’d be this mad if they did it about someone I can’t stand, too, but they definitely went after the wrong person with me

This doesn’t rise to my personal standards of being creepy. The word I’d use is… actually, the word I’d use is probably not permissible under the terms of service, so let’s stay polite and stick with “unacceptable.”

[Testament]

On the one hand, I have no issue with letting the ban stand. I think it’s a shitty behavior to try and dig up ‘evidence’ on something that happened over a year ago. It smacks of something you’d see come out of the YouTube commentary community.

On the other hand, if this ban does stand, you’ll likely just reinforce the beliefs that this person somehow believes they’re being silenced and therefore ‘correct’ in their statement.

Now, maybe I’m just being extremely petty here, but I have little desire for that person to think they were in the right by using their banning on a forum as evidence to it.

[Wizz]

@Warma-Sheen said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

I don’t understand how that is. Sending someone a link to a forum post doesn’t really rate for me, specifically in the context of the conversation being had.

[Polk]

A perma-ban may SEEM harsh for the action, but trying to drag some other forum’s toxicity here smacks of bad faith.

Random attacks on a third party through unsolicited DMs smack very much of bad faith.

Bad faith posting is generally worthy of some sort of administrative action. Someone made one post here, went dormant, then suddenly goes on a tear 7 months later.

If it were a brand-new account, I’d say easy ban, and move on. But it’s possible this is a person who had a bad day. And that makes it a tougher call.

[Pavel]

@Warma-Sheen said in On the utility of Logs, Receipts, and Proof:

I don’t think most of that is anywhere near accurate.

If the recipient and the subject both find it creepy, it’s creepy.

That’s what makes it creepy.

End of story.