Bannings

[Jennkryst]

Circling back a bit, I am also going to toss out how great the ‘why do you say it is easy to change your ID and then call people out for changing their ID?’ mentality is.

Simplications could be someone who previously had issues, and as they do or do not act in ways that might let people figure out who they are… things will go from there. If this is a former problem player who HAS changed, figuring out who won’t matter, because they are no longer a problem. If they haven’t changed… might take some work, who knows. But clean login, clean slate.

Mostly.

I think the real issue people have is how we keep calling out Hella/VK. Who did the bare minimum - the MU equivalent of an @name change, when everyone already has her on +watch or knows her DBREF or whatever. So of COURSE everyone knows who she is.

And since she has a history of… creating a new name and pretending to be someone else to more easily do sketchy shit, it’s easy mode to call her out on it. See above, about ‘making a fresh login to at least have a tiny bit of corroborating evidence that you aren’t the same person’.

OR I’M WRONG, but the only way that can convince me is to unban everyone.

[Kestrel]

@Jennkryst

I mean, it’s also super disingenuous. Because as I’ve said a bunch of times, I don’t/won’t play Arx, so mostly when you guys bring her up I’m like, ‘Who?’ Really no skin in the game here.

But I’ve gone through the Arx bannings board for reasons related to someone I do know more about, and in the process ended up glancing over at her ban post too:

Players are never required to out themselves to anyone, and if they wish to leave the game and return and not tell anyone who they are upon return, that is completely fine. We support fresh starts.

However, when that fresh start places other players in situations they explicitly did not want with the returned player under the assumption and guarantee through OOC avenues that this is not the the old player, too many boundaries are crossed and the behavior is manipulative and robs the targeted players of informed consent. A player’s fresh start is not more important than the safety of those players who cut ties with that player in the past.

First sentence about it. This is like 30 seconds of research.

idk maybe there’s actually a giant conspiracy, and secretly she was banned solely for trying to fly under the radar — which would be hella wild — and then with the ban post everyone agreed that the unspoken rule would be lied about, while nefariously enforcing it on unwitting outsiders.

… Or maybe that’s not actually what people are mad about. Maybe. I’ll never know.

[Aria]

@Kestrel said in Bannings:

— which would be hella wild —

[Meg]

@Kestrel yeah, I used to have some faith in hobos as not being a bad actor. But.

Trying to pretend like saying ‘hey, starting over in the hobby by the virtue of anonymity is fine as long as you shed past bad behavior’ is anything like saying ‘hey, picking up the SAME character and pretending to be someone else OOCly even though it puts you in direct contact with people who have asked not to contact them while LYING to everyone actively about who you are’ is remotely the same is just–

I do like the word disingenuous a lot so I’m going to use it again. It’s mind boggling disingenuous, Hobos. It really is. Like, I am very disappointed in you. Not mad, just disappointed.

[farfalla]

@Meg Initiating contact with people who had NCOs, no less. And then asking about herself. To people who didn’t didn’t want to interact with her. Just –

If she really had only done the first thing, she’d still be peacefully playing on Arx with no one the wiser.

[hellfrog]

@farfalla Initiating sexual rp with people they had accused before of being gross (or would in the future). All under not just false pretenses, but lie upon outright lie.

This is not the only shady behavior she engaged in upon her ‘return’. But its the one that stands out, glaring, in my mind. If this was a male player doing this to female players? There wouldn’t be any of this (admittedly tiny) resistance to naming her a disgusting creep.

That’s a violation, like - she violated people.

[Apos]

@Kestrel That tracks with my impression of him. He’s the only player from MUs that would make me concerned for someone’s RL safety. The way he communicated showed sadism in a clear cut, deeply disturbing way. He is not just “this guy ruins people’s fun on games”.

[Kestrel]

I’m just upset that I can’t upvote my own ban post.

[Meg]

@Kestrel if i could figure out how to reset my password, i’d log in to upvote it for you.

sorry, boo.

[farfalla]

@Kestrel banned for calling someone a phony is pretty good though

[icanbeyourmuse]

So, they are basically picking and choosing who to ban without properly enforcing their own rules. I don’t care if they ban for whatever reason (justified or not). Its the not equally enforcing their rules. All of Ghost’s posts have been barely veiled personal attacks. What he comes off as to me is one of those super Gossips ‘I can’t tell you who but…’ Then proceeds to tell the gossip in a bit of a vendictive way.

[Jennkryst]

Another person banned for person attacks, despite making fewer personal attacks than Ghost. Maybe it was the big words?

Of course, they had to ban @Kestrel. You showed up with receipts about their hypocrisy. 12/10. Would also upvote if I could.

[Herja]

So, I see that they are all still living in Clown City doing clown shit, being big old clowns.

Sorry @Kestrel. It’s some big old clown shit that you got banned and Ghost still there. I feel like it says a lot about their ‘new direction’ which seems to be creating the biggest collection of the hobby’s worst actors in one place. I suppose this is MSB supervillain arc or some other clown level shit.

[KarmaBum]

@icanbeyourmuse said in Bannings:

So, they are basically picking and choosing who to ban without properly enforcing their own rules. I don’t care if they ban for whatever reason (justified or not). Its the not equally enforcing their rules.

Yes. That is what they are doing. You will get bonus allowances to violate their rules if you espouse misogyny and rape apology, but if you are a woman or speak out in defense of victims, you will be shown the door immediately.

Those are the actual, unwritten rules.

Welcome to being permanently banned for just not being friends with Derp, @Kestrel. It’s actually quite nice here.

[sao]

I find this one especially funny because Ganymede’s stated defense to the accusation that they weren’t banning all the people who call out predators was that @Kestrel (and @Aria, I think?) weren’t banned.

[sao]

@sao oh I’m sorry I shouldn’t have @ed anyone into this trash fire.

[Herja]

@KarmaBum Right? Like, they won’t clearly state their ‘rules’ because they are worried about people trying to rule lawyer them when the reality is that they don’t want to state their rules because they don’t want to be accountable about who they exclude from the community.

[hellfrog]

lol CLOWNS IN CLOWN TOWN

[Testament]

This damn thread.

Sorry you have to deal with that, @Kestrel.

Also, Ghost, you goddamn troglodyte, I know you’re reading this. I know I’m trying to be a better person, but damn, you know damn well you should be banned for same inane reason. You rally against the idea against a clique, and yet you, are little more than a sycophant for MSB’s leadership.

I’d ask if you had any shame, but really do come off as some kind of grifter.

[Herja]

@hellfrog Given my history, you are not wrong.