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Bannings
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@Testament said in Bannings:
I’m sure you were paraphrasing and this wasn’t actually said, right?
Yes. I am paraphrasing in a way that attributes the outcome of their policy to deliberate choice. Given the most vocal cheerleaders for this policy and their histories, I do not think I am being unfair to treat the staff as knowing what they’re doing.
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I tried to read some of the thread that y’all are referring to and… it’s enough of a slog that my brain has just started to tap out in the middle of some of these really, really long abuse apologia posts.
Halfway through a multi-paragraph diatribe against people they don’t like (some of whom, admittedly, I also don’t necessarily like very much) but which seems to consist primarily of trying to turn the “Spiderman pointing at Spiderman” meme into philosophical treatise on how decades of online and offline predation is the same thing, the same level of bad, as being excluded from a space…
I just stop processing words. My brain converts the rest of the argument into a dismissive jerking off gesture, refuses to absorb anything else I try to force it to read, and honestly? I don’t feel like I’m missing much.
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Check your privilege.
(Deeply sarcastic. I am just completely astounded at the ever-living audacity of that gotcha.)
I don’t think it’s something to be sarcastic about. I mean, when you consider the immense power I wield as one of the core members of the Clique which, Illuminati-like, governs the destinies of all people in this hobby, what possible advantage could an abuser have apart from millennia of implicit bias and patriarchy, the support of gamerunners who either deliberately share those views or are too conflict-averse to want to stand up for victims, and a lovely little echo chamber from which to spread their disinformation? Truly my privilege is too overwhelming for anyone to stand against.
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Circling back a bit, I am also going to toss out how great the ‘why do you say it is easy to change your ID and then call people out for changing their ID?’ mentality is.
Simplications could be someone who previously had issues, and as they do or do not act in ways that might let people figure out who they are… things will go from there. If this is a former problem player who HAS changed, figuring out who won’t matter, because they are no longer a problem. If they haven’t changed… might take some work, who knows. But clean login, clean slate.
Mostly.
I think the real issue people have is how we keep calling out Hella/VK. Who did the bare minimum - the MU equivalent of an @name change, when everyone already has her on +watch or knows her DBREF or whatever. So of COURSE everyone knows who she is.
And since she has a history of… creating a new name and pretending to be someone else to more easily do sketchy shit, it’s easy mode to call her out on it. See above, about ‘making a fresh login to at least have a tiny bit of corroborating evidence that you aren’t the same person’.
OR I’M WRONG, but the only way that can convince me is to unban everyone.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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I mean, it’s also super disingenuous. Because as I’ve said a bunch of times, I don’t/won’t play Arx, so mostly when you guys bring her up I’m like, ‘Who?’ Really no skin in the game here.
But I’ve gone through the Arx bannings board for reasons related to someone I do know more about, and in the process ended up glancing over at her ban post too:
Players are never required to out themselves to anyone, and if they wish to leave the game and return and not tell anyone who they are upon return, that is completely fine. We support fresh starts.
However, when that fresh start places other players in situations they explicitly did not want with the returned player under the assumption and guarantee through OOC avenues that this is not the the old player, too many boundaries are crossed and the behavior is manipulative and robs the targeted players of informed consent. A player’s fresh start is not more important than the safety of those players who cut ties with that player in the past.
First sentence about it. This is like 30 seconds of research.
idk maybe there’s actually a giant conspiracy, and secretly she was banned solely for trying to fly under the radar — which would be hella wild — and then with the ban post everyone agreed that the unspoken rule would be lied about, while nefariously enforcing it on unwitting outsiders.
… Or maybe that’s not actually what people are mad about. Maybe.
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@Kestrel yeah, I used to have some faith in hobos as not being a bad actor. But.
Trying to pretend like saying ‘hey, starting over in the hobby by the virtue of anonymity is fine as long as you shed past bad behavior’ is anything like saying ‘hey, picking up the SAME character and pretending to be someone else OOCly even though it puts you in direct contact with people who have asked not to contact them while LYING to everyone actively about who you are’ is remotely the same is just–
I do like the word disingenuous a lot so I’m going to use it again. It’s mind boggling disingenuous, Hobos. It really is. Like, I am very disappointed in you. Not mad, just disappointed.
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@Meg Initiating contact with people who had NCOs, no less. And then asking about herself. To people who didn’t didn’t want to interact with her. Just –
If she really had only done the first thing, she’d still be peacefully playing on Arx with no one the wiser.
as previously stated, good day.
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@farfalla Initiating sexual rp with people they had accused before of being gross (or would in the future). All under not just false pretenses, but lie upon outright lie.
This is not the only shady behavior she engaged in upon her ‘return’. But its the one that stands out, glaring, in my mind. If this was a male player doing this to female players? There wouldn’t be any of this (admittedly tiny) resistance to naming her a disgusting creep.
That’s a violation, like - she violated people.
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@Kestrel That tracks with my impression of him. He’s the only player from MUs that would make me concerned for someone’s RL safety. The way he communicated showed sadism in a clear cut, deeply disturbing way. He is not just “this guy ruins people’s fun on games”.
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I’m just upset that I can’t upvote my own ban post.
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@Kestrel if i could figure out how to reset my password, i’d log in to upvote it for you.
sorry, boo.
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@Kestrel banned for calling someone a phony is pretty good though
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So, they are basically picking and choosing who to ban without properly enforcing their own rules. I don’t care if they ban for whatever reason (justified or not). Its the not equally enforcing their rules. All of Ghost’s posts have been barely veiled personal attacks. What he comes off as to me is one of those super Gossips ‘I can’t tell you who but…’ Then proceeds to tell the gossip in a bit of a vendictive way.
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Another person banned for person attacks, despite making fewer personal attacks than Ghost. Maybe it was the big words?
Of course, they had to ban @Kestrel. You showed up with receipts about their hypocrisy. 12/10. Would also upvote if I could.
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So, I see that they are all still living in Clown City doing clown shit, being big old clowns.
Sorry @Kestrel. It’s some big old clown shit that you got banned and Ghost still there. I feel like it says a lot about their ‘new direction’ which seems to be creating the biggest collection of the hobby’s worst actors in one place. I suppose this is MSB supervillain arc or some other clown level shit.
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@icanbeyourmuse said in Bannings:
So, they are basically picking and choosing who to ban without properly enforcing their own rules. I don’t care if they ban for whatever reason (justified or not). Its the not equally enforcing their rules.
Yes. That is what they are doing. You will get bonus allowances to violate their rules if you espouse misogyny and rape apology, but if you are a woman or speak out in defense of victims, you will be shown the door immediately.
Those are the actual, unwritten rules.
Welcome to being permanently banned for just not being friends with Derp, @Kestrel. It’s actually quite nice here.
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I find this one especially funny because Ganymede’s stated defense to the accusation that they weren’t banning all the people who call out predators was that @Kestrel (and @Aria, I think?) weren’t banned.
let it be a challenge to you
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@sao oh I’m sorry I shouldn’t have @ed anyone into this trash fire.
