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      GF @Pavel
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      @Pavel said in Bannings:

      @Narson said in Bannings:

      The idea that both sides don’t recognise the split is harmful? Of /course it is/.

      See, I’m not sure it is ultimately.

      The reasons behind the split, and the metaphorical violence behind the split? Absolutely harmful and I’m not going to deny it.

      For me, the inciting incident was me making a post saying, “This piece of news hurt me very much.”

      Derp replied with, “I refuse to engage you on that level, because it is more important to me to show that I am detached and intelligent and saw it coming than it is to acknowledge that this hurts you or affects anyone’s live.”

      I replied, "You’ll never stop this, will you?

      He replied, “No, and you’re wrong to ask me to.”

      That is the violence I personally suffered in this split, the hurt I’ve tried to veil behind my online persona of detached irony.

      So, as you say, I do not consider the split itself harmful. Even though I don’t think I’ve played on a MU* in at least eighteen months, what I feel most about the split is relief and a sense of safety, knowing he and his fanboys are out of my life as far as my forum career goes and maybe for the rest of my life. I am well shed of them. I know it won’t stop them from trying to hurt me (and I look forward to learning that someone has screengrabbed this post to bolster their argument that I am stirring the drama), but they are welcome to do what they want. In this moment, I feel peaceful, and wish them all the joy they can find in trying exact revenge on my ghost.

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        Roz @junipersky
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        @junipersky said in Bannings:

        Is Faraday here? The little @ thing says you are.

        You are a good person.

        Lol oh man don’t summon her into this mess, I’m sure she has this section of the board on Ignore or whatnot

        she/her | playlist

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        • PavelP
          Pavel @IoleRae
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          @IoleRae said in Bannings:

          Some of us are still being actively maligned; it’s a lot easier to say ‘don’t feed it’ when your name isn’t in their mouths.

          eta: Which is learned from experience! I know I have repeatedly tried to deescalate things too and have advocated stop engaging, but man, it is hard to feel that with this prolonged bullshit being drawn out.

          It absolutely is, which is why I’m expressing it simply as a preference rather than an edict or a “god you people should know better” kind of… statement. You’re all adults, you can do what you want I’m not your mother.

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            mietze
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            I understand.

            But I also think that the guy who just will not or cannot see why his actions were unwelcome and also why their pursuit was not a good idea is not going to see it. And those who are knee jerk determined to “protect” certain people from “mean, bullying” others are going to gloss over what they need to. Or they genuinely don’t see or care about anyone else’s experience or interpretation.

            If that’s going to be tolerated on a place for whatever reason there’s just not a lot that can be done.

            Its not easy, I’m not sure a peace about it can be or should be made. I am glad that at least now I personally have a place where probably I won’t have to deal with a few folks unless I decide to.

            But im never going to convince two in particular that I am even worth half a sack of shit as far as being a real live human being. I did not really realize how much that affected me when participating in the community until now where I’m reasonably certain I will not have to worry about how they treat me here because they are not interested in participating here.

            Unfairly or not I expect that certain people feel the same way there. I know there are people who are over the moon i don’t have anything to do with being on the team over there. But I do think its hard to let go, its hard to not want to defend yourself even if intellectually you know that you are never going to convince people who are digging in their heels, its hard to see people siding with someone else instead of you, ect.

            It’s hard and it’s going to be hard. But I do think its probably better to not make this a focus of this place or have it become the biggest main thread–eventually.

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              Herja
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              pony ginuwin

              lol lmao

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              • KestrelK
                Kestrel @Selira
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                @Selira said in Bannings:

                @Roz said in Bannings:

                Clique allies I am not even friends with on Discord but have at least RPed with: Pavel (I think?), junipersky, Tori, Selira, and Blu

                We’re actually friends on Discord!

                We’ve just literally never spoken there, you added me specifically to invite me to BMD’s Discord and that was it.

                ETA: WAIT YOU REMOVED ME LOL

                It’s OK @Selira, Regina George be like that. Notice how meticulously she took pains to distance herself from me and be all ‘I don’t know her.’ 😔

                mean girls

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                  Selira
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                  I mean I 100% just find it hilarious, it was a perfect example of how these imagined social groups aren’t really what people think they are.

                  Dumb question, but knowing what I know about how the internet was in the 2000’s… there’s absolutely no way that MSB was more toxic than WORA, is there? I can’t give even the slightest credence to the idea that the hog pit was more chilling on the hobby than something made in 4chan’s heyday.

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                    Testament @Selira
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                    @Selira Considering on WORA there were whole threads dedicated to tearing apart and mocking character descriptions? I can also remember the Firan thread being pretty bad when that game finally imploded.

                    Literally anything Bane ever said.

                    The Fallcoast thread.

                    I could keep giving examples but I’ll stop there.

                    No, it was worse than MSB ever was.

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                      mietze @Selira
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                      @Selira on WORA people openly celebrated doxxing people, posting their RL pictures to the board to mock them, talked about people’s rl kids and family life situations, cheered on as some folks defaced the social media at the time (LiveJournal) of people determined to be harmful or bad with autopsy photos in the comments, ect.

                      Of course this was the 90/00s when if you got harassed on a game maybe you shouldn’t have been such a TS slut and if you got into offline conversation and all that you deserved what you got.

                      The community has changed in some ways to be less misogynistic and we understand more about how damaging doxxing is and stuff like that.

                      But I think humans are mean without making efforts not to be, there’s just as much whisoer campaigns but the content is different, ect. And some of the folks that did all the shit mentioned above, some are still present and active in the community, but I hope/expect their maturity at being in their 30s is different than when it was when they were teens/college age.

                      Editing to add: not EVERYONE celebrated that shit and people expressed disgust too. But it was tolerated and no one got banned for it. But thankfully the culture widely changed in general.

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                      • NarsonN
                        Narson
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                        Yeah, if people thought MSB was nasty, WORA would cause them to go all Indiana Jones melty face.

                        Though I am proud that in that rather horrid Firan thread, the worst said about me was that I was ‘lovely, but a bit ineffective’.

                        When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.

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                          Testament
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                          And people forget there was always SWOFA before that. Which is an even deeper level of toxicity.

                          It’s like Dante’s Inferno, only for text nerdery.

                          I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                            Selira
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                            Yeah that’s about what I thought, I grew up on 90’s/2000’s internet and this all sounds like familiar behavior to me – and that’s when MU’s thrived.

                            Clearly the logical conclusion is that we need to be more toxic, not less.

                            I’ll continue being skeptical about any claims that the toxicity of the Hog Pit was a cause in the waning of the hobby.

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                              mietze @Selira
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                              @Selira i think the decline is probably more due to there being so many more options for entertainment. Even more so now. Like if you miss tt gaming there are actually sources where you CAN do that online you don’t have to mush and try to fit into that subset of rp. You can rp on mmos or via them. Its super easy to publish serial erotica based in your fantasy world or fandom online and a whole community thats happy to enjoy it. People can set up private rping stuff on discord or docs or whatever.

                              Mushing will always have my heart. I’ll be in the hobby until I die. I like mmos okay and enjoy online tt but this is the format I prefer. And I’ve only taken a couple years break right after I got knocked up with my twins (they just turned 19) though I’ve had many slow periods. I still on every place I play meet many new to me people. (Genuinely new to me, not just forgetting).

                              I dont know that the community was ever humongous (rpgs were not as cool or semi-mainstream back then as they are now) but I don’t think its in its death throes yet.

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                                bear_necessities
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                                I can’t believe I was kicked out of the clique again, I just got in 😞

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                                • KarmaBumK
                                  KarmaBum @mietze
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                                  @mietze said in Bannings:

                                  there’s just as much whisoer campaigns but the content is different, ect.

                                  ^ Precisely. WORA/SWOFA were just more openly toxic. Instead of peeving with a vague-post where we all know who it is but no one says who it is, you posted their RL name and pictures of their house while you called them a PHB because they type out the word pose instead of use :

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                                  • SolsticeS
                                    Solstice
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                                    Yikes. I’m glad I was just kinda, uh, doing MU* things and not part of any community boards during that time.

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                                      mietze @KarmaBum
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                                      @KarmaBum sometimes there was real hurt behind that behavior too. Someone felt very wronged and wanted to strike back. Still overkill to call CPS/deface rl social media/ect. But I don’t think everyone was always angry about trite things at least not to them.

                                      I do think that is why the reputation around gossip boards has stuck though. There can be a lot of anger and vitriol when people are invested. I think a lot of bad behavior on games in general is because of investment/need or because the person just doesn’t put the same controls on themselves as they would in a face to face friendship or acquaintance/club meeting activity. Or they could be having a straight up breakdown or mental health spiral.

                                      But I think what’s behind it is very rarely truly petty.

                                      I’m just glad that for the most part we as a community in general have lines that most folks agree should not be crossed and those that do (even if they claim to not know/understand why) are given less passes than they were before.

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                                        dvoraen
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                                        I want to know why I was not put in a sidebox (with a pink border) labelled “Clique Mascot”.

                                        cute hmph

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                                          GF @dvoraen
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                                          @dvoraen said in Bannings:

                                          I want to know why I was not put in a sidebox (with a pink border) labelled “Clique Mascot”.

                                          Because the mean girls were leading whisper campaigns against you. Duh.

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                                            Tori @Pavel
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                                            @Pavel said in Bannings:

                                            This is how I best understand the clique membership, but I could be wrong:

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                                            I’m still like a billion pages behind on reading but

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                                            2. I am on it 😄 ALLIES HO! (like the tally-ho chipper war cry, not like me being one but I mean I guess that works too so 🤷

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                                            I have been here the whole time

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