Royal Paynes
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@Meg scawy mermaid
like those bad bitches that drowned narcissus (he didn’t fall in don’t believe the lies)
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@hellfrog wow, narcissus caused his own suffering. don’t go blaming mermaids and spreading this conspiracy theory.
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@Meg
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@Meg you can’t take this from them!
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@Meg said in City of Glass - Discussion:
nothing in that log is new or exciting. fun that you shared! definitely puts me firmly in the camp of ‘guy was bad vibes’. but man, it’s so tiring all these gross guys behave the same way.
I shared largely because I feel like reading their script has value. If you know the sort of keys to look for, you can deconstruct this behavior easily. You can watch him trying to gaslight me like he’s following a textbook on how to gaslight people.
And it’s very much of interest to me to show people that they are not alone when it comes to being targeted by creepers. He targeted me, and that was a poor choice on his part, and I cut his career at City of Glass quite short with my casual indifference towards his emotional manipulations. Because creepers aren’t targeting just you. They’re casting a wide net as they look for potential victims.
Also, it’s valuable to report things to staff when things are just starting to get weird. One of the first things I did with this guy was ask @Roz if he was being creepy or if it was just me. She then advised me to use Ares’
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@Tributary you are definitely right. sorry, i didn’t mean it to come off like-- idk, you shouldn’t have shared or that it was just fun gossip to read. i do think seeing the patterns is good for the hobby!
i was just very /tired/ of players like that when i posted.
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@Meg I’m not sure you came off that way, but I wanted to write that stuff out explicitly. Sort of to confirm how right you are. Like, this is what they do, this is their script, but there are options and there will be repercussions for them.
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@Tributary I was actually the one that had been paging him right around when the rave started and asked him to show up, completely unaware that all this other stuff was happening in the background.
He told me that his date had ditched him and I assumed he meant Lucene, because RL had eaten her. Mind you, he never mentioned any of this other stuff to me. I’d only just started talking to the guy a few days before.
I will admit, after hearing what happened and him talking to me about his char, I had vague suspicions that he was that mage player that used to use Mind on female chars all the time. I think I might be wrong, though.
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@RedJellyBean Ah, interesting! So that part wasn’t a lie. And yeah, Lucene was originally his date, and she “ditched him” by blocking him on Discord and fleeing.
He did use Mind to read Aubrey’s thoughts, yes. Does that sound about right?
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@Tributary The guy I’m thinking of used to use Mind to coerce female chars to sleep with him. He played on Haunted Memories, if that helps. I cannot remember his name. I’m thinking it’s not the same person, but just coincidental with them being Mage and leaning heavily into Mind for stuff.
Honestly, I didn’t get any red flags from him when talking to him, but, like I said, I had only started talking to him a few days ago and only did one scene with him.
I only wondered about the possibility of him being this other person after I’d heard what had happened.
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@RedJellyBean I think you’re thinking of Jeurg (Juerg? I can’t remember the spelling) from Haunted Memories who I think got a reputation for that kinda weirdness. No idea if it’s the same player though.
Mastigos and Mind Magic seems to be one of the common IC creeper covers. They’re meant to be confrontational and do awful things to make you think! Which can be a fine concept if handled properly oocly but I feel like a lot of weird folk have hidden behind it over the years.
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Me, a Mastigos Mage:
I do find it kind of funny that our first three bans were all mage players, though.
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@Tez Hee.
All the CoD stuff have spaces for creepy folks to hide behind ‘I’m just acting IC!’ unfortunately. I’m sure a lot of game systems might. I don’t think I saw it in Mage more than anywhere else, but it’s been ages since Mage was allowed in a lot of these games.
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@Tez I JUST THINK IT IS FUNNY HOW
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@Tez said in City of Glass - Discussion:
I do find it kind of funny that our first three bans were all mage players, though.
You say funny, I say expected.
Us Demons are too busy trying to figure out wtf the mechanics are to be creepy. Yet.
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@Pavel said in City of Glass - Discussion:
Us Demons are too busy trying to figure out wtf the mechanics are to be creepy. Yet.
Demon mechanics? It’s basically this:
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@Livia That was who I was thinking of. I knew someone would know the name.
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Ah, Shamash, yes. We had that experience briefly as well. Didn’t ban him – he got into a fight with another player and they both left.
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As someone with a bad habit for giving people a lot more trust and leeway than is safe due to a defaulting of trying to assume the best intentions in people even when internet people specifically have patterns of NOT having best intentions…
How much labor and trouble would it be to move the topic of gaslighting, IC/OOC creeping from mind-reading/thought manipulation, etc to a rough and rowdy thread dedicated just to that?
I feel like there is a lot of really important discourse and behavioral patterns to unpack here in regards to over-all MUSHing community safety, but dropping back into that topic regularly while thinking it’s going to be an overall review of CoG/CoD mechanics/setting/lore is starting to hit me from unexpected directions when it turns out to be posts instead about manipulative patterns of players unrelated to the actual game and its reviews. Would that be a fork that could be moved without too much trouble/work involved?
