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Numetal/Retromux
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@inuki said in Numetal/Retromux:
I understand why people commit suicide over cyberbullying.
gross. fucking gross.
you’re going to bring up a problem that exists in real life, and has never ever been just about MUSH drama, and bring it into MUSH drama as a way to-- what? deflect people from saying mean words on this forum?
it’s gross. be better.
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@inuki …suicide damn bro. Cause of your own words!
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@ChaoticSin said in Numetal/Retromux:
[…] painted to make pika look bad. […]
she ain’t need the help, tbh
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It’s interesting the only thing that was claimed as untrue (which then got receipts) was that they didn’t slut shame someone.
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@catzilla It’s definitely giving Britta Perry vibes.
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@inuki said in Numetal/Retromux:
I understand why people commit suicide over cyberbullying.
I am genuinely sorry you are dealing with those feelings, and I hope you reach out via whatever resources are available to you for help.
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@catzilla she claims she didn’t slut shame without reason.
and then provided no logs of her own.
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If the suggested feelings of suicide are sincere, I suggest that help be sought immediately from a qualified mental health professional who is not associated with the mushing community. Forums like this are not the right place to address such imo and for so many reasons.
https://www.mhanational.org/resources/988
You dial 988. One can also dial 911 if feeling suicidal.
If the feelings are not sincere, I would also suggest taking a break from games and mushing to focus on getting well as dropping suicide into the conversation even if not done in good faith, is a serious situation.
I wish you the very best in your real life.
I normally am not into suggesting that people need therapy as that can be condescending and trying to chair arm diagnosis. However, when suicide is brought up, I always advise getting off game professional help as quickly as possible.
The mushing community is not qualified to address feelings suicide especially on a forum like this. Even if there is a Psychologist here with experience in suicide prevention, this is not the right venue or way to get help.
There are most likely players here who have experienced the suicide of a family member or other loved one or have dealt with suicidal feelings themselves. Bringing this into the conversation has the potential to be triggering and upsetting to some people.
I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty confident that the people here only want the best for you ooc regardless of any mush dramas.
While you haven’t gone this far yet, as it was more passively hinted to “I can see why” Instead of “I feel like or am going to” threats of suicide has been used by some of the worse of creepers in mushing as a way to prevent people from sharing experiences about them, reporting them to staff, breaking up with their characters, placing down boundaries and so forth.
I once had a girl tell me if my character dumped her or flirted with another girl, she would commit suicide in real life. Not wanting harm to come to this girl, I let a toxic relationship go on longer than it should have and others probably have had similar experiences. So I don’t think we should be dropping the Suicide word lightly.
If one needs to come here about those feelings, take it to an off game ooc focused board and ask people to help find resources. I believe that people would be happy to help search for some numbers one could call for help.
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Un-asked-for reminder that you can report posts, it is sure a function I am utilizing at this moment in space and time.
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So, in conclusion: Stay far, far away from this game is what I am taking away?
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@Pacha said in Numetal/Retromux:
So, in conclusion: Stay far, far away from this game is what I am taking away?
Asking for real:
Is it fair to paint the whole game this way if the problem is only with this one singular person, even if they are the headstaff?
From what I see above, literally everything negative has only been about Pika. Everything else on the game seems to be good to great. So why condemn the whole game if there’s just the one issue? Just avoid/ignore them and enjoy a great time.
If Pika runs mage and the other spheres have autonomy (one of the things that saves the game IMO), then just don’t make a mage. If the vamp and shifter and changeling spheres are poppin, then obviously there’s merit/value to the game. There’s a reason the mage sphere only has like 3 active characters (two of whom are staff characters), but all the others have 15+.
But the fact that the game has a built in firewall between Pika and the rest of the spheres is a great thing that suggest maybe the entire game shouldn’t be dumped on flippantly.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Pacha said in Numetal/Retromux:
So, in conclusion: Stay far, far away from this game is what I am taking away?
Asking for real:
Is it fair to paint the whole game this way if the problem is only with this one singular person, even if they are the headstaff?
I’d say it’s very fair for people to not play on a game if they don’t trust the person with the largest amount of power on that game. Other staff aren’t “firewalls” between you and a head staffer; they can’t protect you from the person who’s in charge. It’s absolutely not the same as ignoring a regular player that you don’t like.
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@Warma-Sheen I went to a chicken place ten years ago and got food poisoning I won’t describe here because even now it’s upsetting to remember the physical distress it put me in.
Not every cook at the restaurant prepared the meal that made me sick. The servers had nothing to do with it, nor the cashier. Most likely the people who weren’t on shift at the time had nothing to do with it, and I’ve no idea if management did. Maybe the supplier did and maybe they didn’t.
You could argue that by not going back to that restaurant, I’m unfairly punishing the people who had nothing to do with me spending hours doing, well, never mind what I was doing. But I don’t care. I don’t owe them my business after getting briefly hospitalized from eating their food.
Same general principle applies here. I doubt anyone has gone to the hospital because of Retromux, but so what? I’m not the means tester who decides how much suffering is appropriate for a given response. If people have a bad time and don’t feel safe playing there, then they have my full and unreserved blessing to go somewhere better for them. Life is too damn short.
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@Warma-Sheen honestly if you can’t trust the owner or support what they stand for it’s simple vote with your feet. Logging on to a game for a head staffer you dislike or don’t think is safe is still supporting them.
Going there ups the player count. Meaning optics it’s a good game based on who. Which has been one of the ways we judge games. Active players=good game in the minds of many.
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@GF god, i wouldn’t eat chicken for 10 years because i got the worst, worst food poisoning from an Arby’s chicken salad sandwich (i know, i made some bad choices. i was 20.) i developed a really bad sensitivity to chicken where my body was like ‘no this is the bad food!’
chicken food poisoning is the worst, and i am sorry.
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@Meg Am I the only one who doesn’t watch something because an actor or actress is known to be terrible enough either talent wise or as an overall person? >.>
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@Warma-Sheen said in Numetal/Retromux:
Is it fair to paint the whole game this way if the problem is only with this one singular person, even if they are the headstaff?
Maybe, maybe not. Others have discussed.
Frankly, though, I don’t care about fairness in this kind of situation. If it looks like a dumpster fire, I will avoid it even if it allegedly smells like patchouli.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
Frankly, though, I don’t care about fairness in this kind of situation. If it looks like a dumpster fire, I will avoid it even if it allegedly smells like patchouli.
Right, but the place doesn’t look like a dumpster fire. In fact, I don’t think anything negative has been said about the game itself, just Inuki and some other people that have since left. The game as a whole and what’s being run there sounds great.
But…
@BloodAngel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Warma-Sheen honestly if you can’t trust the owner or support what they stand for it’s simple vote with your feet. Logging on to a game for a head staffer you dislike or don’t think is safe is still supporting them.
That I can understand. And agree with.
I just wish there was a clearer delineation between the two ideas, you know? The people who are there doing good stuff in MU*ing (in a tiny, tiny hobby) don’t deserve to get raked over the coals just because of who the headstaffer is. They can’t do anything about that. I’m sure they’ve tried. If they’ve managed to run a great game in spite of that, it is actually a credit to them. I just think that kind of thing gets missed under all the negativity.
But I do understand voting with your feet can be a major motivation and impetus for change. I get that people shouldn’t support bad behavior. Agreed.
