MU Peeves Thread

tamecrow

I… I can’t stop reading it…

The referenced hog pit ovulation expert thread…

I… wow, lol. It hurts, but I can’t stop.

Popcorn

Cobalt

@allthecookies I had to stop after about five pages? It was just wow. Ortallus must be a peach in real life to deal with.

tamecrow

@Cobalt

Yeah it was getting really really nasty and I had to stop too. What a piece of work.

STD

@GF said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD You are really kind of making me want to play a manic pixie dream mama. But I suppose that’s really just Mary Poppins, isn’t it?

There are many ways to play such a concept. One of my favorite Changeling characters was a Seelie Redcap babysitter who specialized in problem children. One night with her and they WOULD eat their vegetables. Terror, properly applied, could be a force for good!

Just ignore the life-long psychological trauma that results.

@mietze said in MU Peeves Thread:

yes, it was very much a case of ignoring that in favor of picking out the flavors for the magical babies and yes not reading the theme/source material.

No, I don’t really understand the appeal, but there are things I like that other people are like lol what. But at least usually they’re things in the lore/source that fascinated me while being boring/horrifying to others!

Eh, that’s fair enough. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Though I get the feeling that these magic babies were foist on others’ RP as a sort of accessory that one was expected to coo and awe over. I mean, a character can ignore or disparage a Treasure, but who would do the same to a wee babe who is just overflowing with Glamour! PRAISE ME FOR BEING KNOCKED UP!

@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD Oh its weirder than that. Changeling do not age while they are in the Dreaming and/or Freeholds. So it is totally possible your Kinain child has grown older than you.

Yeah, that’s true. I think I vaguely remember something like that being mentioned in either the Changeling mainbook or maybe one of Kith books (Sidhe, maybe? They have a much more… ethereal understanding of time as it is).

They can learn Arts and Realms, too, and since they are immune to cold iron, why not make faerie bargains with them to help fite the bad things?

Heh. Logical, I suppose. Though I would think there is a huge danger of them running in horror from the Things in the Dreaming and becoming Dauntain.

… incidentally, this could also be why Changelings hook up with Kinain, to have a ‘real’ parent around while they are out playing pretend with the others.

That’s… actually a good point. Foist the maintence of the Glamour machine off on someone who “isn’t as important” and go about your Changeling way.

Or, if you want to look at it in a less Unseelie way, Commoners do the ‘village to raise a child’ approach, and Nobles do Lords and Ladies ‘have the help raise the child for me’ thing.

Less Unseelie, perhaps, but certainly still shady as fuck.

Changelings are kinda jerks. A lot of people fail to understand that Changelings – and the Fae they come from – are alien MONSTERS who simply don’t think like humans. Humanity didn’t develop Banality just to be assholes; the Fae of old horrifically abused their powers (though one could make the claim that they didn’t have the free will to be anything other than their natures) and humanity responded by trying to force the chaotic nature of these creatures into some semblance of orderly understanding.

That orderly understanding just got tighter and tighter as the ages passed.

In short: Humanity did nothing wrong!

somasatori

@STD Always here for quality Changeling: The Dreaming discussions. Mentally I have largely moved on to The Lost, but Dreaming always holds a special place in my heart.

Changelings are, indeed, terrible people. This comes from the whole orange/blue morality that comes from being Fae.

One thing that I rarely have seen on CtD games was a discussion of class politics. A lot of players play it off like the Accordance War wasn’t that big of a deal, and that most commoners are basically ‘ho-hum, this is how things are.’ I get that it’s not all Changeling players who play it like this (though as the former Changeling wiz on Metro 2, there was a significant majority), but there’s definitely some good quality story to be mined there. The commoners who existed during the interregnum still instituted a form of feudalism, but I would imagine that was starting to give way in certain demesnes, especially since they are often driven by human trends and desires.

Anyway, agreed: humanity did nothing wrong!

Coin

@somasatori said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD Always here for quality Changeling: The Dreaming discussions. Mentally I have largely moved on to The Lost, but Dreaming always holds a special place in my heart.

Changelings are, indeed, terrible people. This comes from the whole orange/blue morality that comes from being Fae.

One thing that I rarely have seen on CtD games was a discussion of class politics. A lot of players play it off like the Accordance War wasn’t that big of a deal, and that most commoners are basically ‘ho-hum, this is how things are.’ I get that it’s not all Changeling players who play it like this (though as the former Changeling wiz on Metro 2, there was a significant majority), but there’s definitely some good quality story to be mined there. The commoners who existed during the interregnum still instituted a form of feudalism, but I would imagine that was starting to give way in certain demesnes, especially since they are often driven by human trends and desires.

Anyway, agreed: humanity did nothing wrong!

People’s unwillingness to buy into the blue-and-orange morality of WoD/CofD characters in general is often one of the biggest hurdles when it comes to running a game in those settings as written.

ten

not being able to tell
if it’s a REAL human face
as a played-by,
or created by AI.

Snackness

@ten “Is this AI or just a human with completely dead eyes?”

Testament

@Snackness “Is this AI or is this just fantasy?”

Snackness

@Testament This guy has dead eyes / don’t think he’s realityyyyyy

Testament

@spes said in MU Peeves Thread:

My peeve is when people subtweet my game instead of just naming it. How am I supposed know where to go to delve into the intricacies of menstruation and seminal emissions in my setting?

I will say that while I don’t believe the creation of this bit of lore was done in any kind of malicious way, it does seem to be done in slightly…I dunno, poor taste?

I guess if this was put into the game when it originally was opened is one thing, people knew what they were getting into. But to also drop it in game so many months later after plenty has been established, it might seem kind of like whiplash? Suddenly it’s a thing.

The whole thing seems kind of ‘woah’ moment to me. Even after reading the whole page, I guess I’m not seeing IC or OOC point to the lore itself? I see IC reasoning, but whenever I see something like, always in my head I assume there’s some kind of OOC justification as to why the lore exists at all.

In the end, this is just my outside observer’s perception of “Are you sure you want to do that?”

SpaceKhomeini

@Testament

I honestly lost the plot on this gods know how many posts ago but what I’m left with is a legitimate question —

Can you send clerical heads rolling down the stairs IC’ly in response to this? Because if the answer is yes it’s at least a bit of shameless wish fulfillment one can indulge in (as opposed to the real world where creeping theocracy is a thing you’re going to be stuck with in a lot of places).

real_mirage

@Snackness Isn’t the OOC reason the same as the IC? Its a world filled with humans that can reproduce in some capacity. Its also a Lords and Ladies game wherein reproduction, families, genealogy, ect ect ect, has always been a major focus in that style of game. A Lords and Ladies game without some kind of detail as to how reproduction is treated would be more surprising than one with such details. This one just has a unique world-building aspect that can lead to unique stories specific to the setting.

I find the mockery more in poor taste when such details should be encouraged to give a setting more life. Literally. Ha haa.

hellfrog

wow you guys, people talk about how toxic the MU community is, and i guess I just never saw it before.

mockery? in a peeve thread??

have some class

real_mirage

@hellfrog LoL. Touche.

Jennkryst

@real_mirage said in MU Peeves Thread:

A Lords and Ladies game without some kind of detail as to how reproduction is treated would be more surprising than one with such details. This one just has a unique world-building aspect that can lead to unique stories specific to the setting.

I am already totally breaking Rokugani culture with poorly though out setting changes for the L5R game that I surely won’t flake out on this time, what’s a few MORE changes to FauxSamurai gender roles and marriage customs?