Re: Dies Irae

[Popes]

@catzilla

The tl’dr is that my PC, the burn out gifted kid pure breed 5 shadow lord philodox was tasked to sit in on a meeting between a packmate ahroun black fury, and the douchebag, newly fostern shadow lord philodox regarding a black fury PC cub’s education. It went about as well as one could expect. (Poorly. There was some player drama from elsewhere involved. (I love my packmates from that game, the shit that player said is all of it lies and slander and I see them on this board. You fucking know who you are.)

So I put the +job in reporting, and Scylla demanded a scene over it with all of the parties save the cub. So we went, and this guy would not fucking sit down, demanding ‘due respect’ as a fostern from a bunch of cliath. Which, to those who don’t know, is basically the college freshman telling the high school seniors to shut up and do what he says. It doesn’t work like Scylla and that fuckwad think it does. Until someone’s ass gets beat, but that’s Werewolf.

The scene went, then we started talking and, like, trying to have a productive conversation with Scylla about, you know, how Werewolf works and why we think she adjudicated incorrectly. I put my whole ass on the line, having played an Elder Philodox in a goddamn NATIONAL LARP ORG, and never losing my seat, which means I know I was doing something right because my sheet was total ass. Things got a little heated, and I just was like ‘Fuck this. You have more interest in sucking the male PC’s dick rather than listening to sense from three female PCs’ in more polite terms, then logged off and never logged in again.

Also, her ideas about how Pure Breed worked were really eugenicist and creepy in hindsight.

[somasatori]

I wasn’t there for that so I won’t comment, but it strikes me how often people get just infuriated with Scylla and how she says things. Someone else mentioned above that there were people in the DC group who would get so mad they’d quit and never come back. She does this thing with weasel words where it always seems like she’s trying to get out of something and defending herself even if there’s nothing to be defensive about. I used to bring this up to her directly, considering we had been friends, and had met in person a few times, for something like 14 years prior to the daily slog of “Scylla said this about you” messages after I quit. I bet there could have been a way to ameliorate that situation to the conclusion of all parties had the right approach been made, and think about how often it seemed that Scylla would end up taking the exact opposite approach in similar situations.

edit: this isn’t me saying that you shouldn’t be mad at Scylla about this, more speculating on whether a more skillful discussion could have prevented this from escalating

[labsunlimited]

@Popes Poor Stan. He really made Garou shine. Convinced my Bastet interacting with them was worthwhile after all!

I’ve always thought Pure Breed was a creepy, eugenicist concept if left untreated tbh, but there are versions where it’s not tied to ‘blood purity’.

[Pavel]

[Jennkryst]

Side tangent, it was so super fun to constantly point out to folks that links on the wiki being the same color as the rest of the text… or maybe #FFFFFF vs #CCCCCC… and not having underlines to indicate… you know, link. Like multiple people bring this up, and being told we’re wrong.

But Theno mentions it once and it gets fixed instantly.

That sure was great.

[Popes]

@labsunlimited Like, they made me write in a whole ass breeding program into my background. When, you know, for most tribes Pure Breed will often just happen. Normal ass, no pure breed kin can drop a pure breed 5 kid, because sometimes that just happens, and they did not understand this. Because it’s not just genetic, it’s fucking spiritual too.

[somasatori]

@Jennkryst said in Re: Dies Irae:

But Theno mentions it once and it gets fixed instantly.

I remember this! So Scylla is deeply reactive* about anything Theno says to the extent that there were often long conversations in the staff discord about how he was acting in the player channels. Additionally, Scylla often believed that he was directly attempting to goad her. This was probably true some of the time, but maybe in like 50% of the cases that were brought up. He did tend to latch on when Scylla started to do that thing I mentioned above about the weasel words.

@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:

Because it’s not just genetic, it’s fucking spiritual too.

This is such a crucial part of the Pure Breed background that is even mentioned in the background’s write up, but I think is generally missed in favor of… I guess eugenics?

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*and if there was anything that got a policy change or a result on Dies Irae, it was a knee-jerk reaction

[labsunlimited]

@Popes Yuck. I wish the whole Apoc line didn’t have so much fash in its DNA, but despite the proper and nuanced readings it winds up landing in so many minds as fashy. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen doing Werewolf LARP who play it straight, like ‘what if we were just all on board with the genocidal ecofascism’?

[Popes]

@labsunlimited Somehow my Get Philodox, son of Golgol Fangs-First, who decided ‘You know, kicking ass and being physically strong isn’t bad, but what about strength of character, including empathy, folks?’ not only hit Elder in play, but also helped run the tribe for most of an org larp chronicle, understood this. But, hey. What do I know, I just read the book.

[Prototart]

@somasatori

oh he DEFINITELY needled at her, but i don’t think I saw him do it over anything that wasn’t a really obvious glaring issue that had already been brought up and ignored a dozen times.

[somasatori]

@Prototart It just goes to show that the best way to get results is to have someone the shadow headstaffer feels is out to get her telling her what needs to be changed.

[Rucket]

The fuck am I even reading at this point. It’s like each post comes in and I am just like

I realize how out of touch I am even on places I do participate on for brief periods of time. Hi it is me, Captain Oblivious.

[somasatori]

@Rucket said in Re: Dies Irae:

I realize how out of touch I am even on places I do participate on for brief periods of time. Hi it is me, Captain Oblivious.

This is probably for the best, I really love it for you that you didn’t have to go through any of the weird nonsense

[MisterBoring]

@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:

go through any of the weird nonsense

At this point I’ve decided that all RP is just weird nonsense, but can either be good weird or bad weird.

A bunch of werewolves fighting a highway battle with a possessed ice cream truck is good weird.

Staffers missing the tone of a game in an effort to speed up their TS game is bad weird.

[somasatori]

@Jumpscare, I wanted to note that I removed the multiple deserialized calls to update self.db.location and forced a target.save() before and after location change, and the bug hasn’t reoccurred yet. I also noticed I was letting the location attribute do most of the heavy lifting so broke it out to use three other dict attributes: prev_location, cur_location, and post_location. post_location is logged when the player indicates where they want to go, for example if they’re traveling to room dbref #100, it’ll list that room as their intended location (which I’m realizing now would be a better name for the attribute).

self.db.cur_location directly copies the evennia base self.db.location and saves it. My intention for this is to ensure that we have a backup in case there’s a memory error when calling the function (though I could be misunderstanding this a little and maybe it’s not necessary).

Finally, self.db.prev_location stores the room dbref of the character’s location where they initiated the method call, which allows them to return or be returned later, such as when using +ic or if staff use +return.

Maybe this is overkill though? I really hate this goddamned bug

@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:

Staffers missing the tone of a game in an effort to speed up their TS game is bad weird.

I initially read this as “speed run their TS game” and thought ‘hmm, well that might be interesting to see.’

[Pavel]

@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:

I initially read this as “speed run their TS game” and thought ‘hmm, well that might be interesting to see.’

Well now I want to see a Karl Jobst video on how the people in the top five of the TS Speed running League actually cheated their times by getting ChatGPT to write their poses.

[MisterBoring]

@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:

Well now I want to see a Karl Jobst video on how the people in the top five of the TS Speed running League actually cheated their times by getting ChatGPT to write their poses.

Don’t forget how Karl uncovers a secret discord where they were conducting illicit pay-for-TS to speed it up even further.

[Pavel]

@MisterBoring Then we need a 60 Minutes-style expose on the lives of people who work for the underground TS ghostwriting ring.

[somasatori]

@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:

@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:

Well now I want to see a Karl Jobst video on how the people in the top five of the TS Speed running League actually cheated their times by getting ChatGPT to write their poses.

Don’t forget how Karl uncovers a secret discord where they were conducting illicit pay-for-TS to speed it up even further.

Pay for TS! I could use a supplemental income, so, uh…

[Pavel]

@somasatori