RL Peeves
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Not really a peeve, just something I’m thinking about.
Any of you Americans ever notice how often we’ll say “no” to mean “yes” and vice-versa? I’ve never had a problem telling which way someone means the word, but I’m sitting here trying to figure out the rules as if I needed to explain it to someone who’s ESL, and I can’t isolate the rules at all.
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@GF There’s a variant among Midwesterners.
“Yeah, no.”
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“No, yeah.”
It’s exactly as maddening as you imagine it to be.
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My principal asked me to do a walk and talk with her. I know consciously that it is legit just a check in. But there is always that “what did I do wrong and what punishment is coming” when there isn’t a set agenda.
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@Testament said in RL Peeves:
@GF There’s a variant among Midwesterners.
“Yeah, no.”
and
“No, yeah.”
It’s exactly as maddening as you imagine it to be.
Australians do that too, weirdly.
Weird that midwesterners and Australians both do it, that is.
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@GF I notice it and I do it and I don’t know why and I hate it.
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I use ‘yeah, no’ every so often here in NY. It’s a way to add emphasis to the ‘no’.
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We say “so don’t I” as agreement.
“You like Kelly’s roast beef? So don’t I!” = “I too enjoy Kelly’s roast beef sandwiches.”
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@eye8urcake said in RL Peeves:
Fuck Charles.
Just posting to second and bold this.
Somehow I missed this the first go around, so I’ll say it now: This isn’t the place for that. “This place” being the entire board/forum.
This has been an Admin post.
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@Pavel It was oblique enough for me to feel perfectly comfortable in saying IDGAF about your admin post.
Have a good day.
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@Testament said in RL Peeves:
@GF There’s a variant among Midwesterners.
“Yeah, no.”
and
“No, yeah.”
It’s exactly as maddening as you imagine it to be.
Australians do that too, weirdly.
Weird that midwesterners and Australians both do it, that is.
We also do this in Philly, but the trick is the emphasis and length of the response.
“No, yeah” = “No-yeah” = Yes.
“Yeah, no” = “Yeeeeah, no” = No, and also you should maybe fuck off with that dumb suggestion.
“Yeah, no” = “Yeah (^upward inflection), no (hardstop).” = Absolutely not and do not ask me again.
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@Testament said in RL Peeves:
@GF There’s a variant among Midwesterners.
“Yeah, no.”
and
“No, yeah.”
I’ve been thinking about it a lot, and my best analysis for now is, both are intended to ease the listener into a more receptive state of mind. In my experience, “Yeah, no” is usually offered almost apologetically, as if trying to soften the “no” with the preceding “yeah.” “No, yeah” is something I most often here from people who speak like they think I’ll be surprised they agree with me and they’re trying to let me know not to be surprised. Does that sound accurate-ish to your experience?
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Does that sound accurate-ish to your experience?
Sometimes, but I have just as often seen it used in a sarcastic sense.
“Hey you should try (this disgusting food).”
“Yeaaah… no”There’s actually been some linguistic study of the phenomenon. It’s really just context-dependent. Based on usage, tone, body language, etc. There’s no hard and fast rule.
More amusingly, it came up in the Holderness Family’s funny Midwest vs South Rap Battle.
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@GF When I say it, the ‘yeah’ in a yeah-no is sort of a stand-in for ‘Are you fucking kidding me?’ so no…not intended as apologetic
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There is a huge difference between the yeah being stretched out than when it is immediately after the yeah.
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@junipersky It doesn’t have to be stretched out to be sarcastic though.
