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MU Peeves Thread
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@L-B-Heuschkel I think a known good game-runner is also a factor. Cobalt is absolutely a huge part of why The Pack blew up overnight, and Tat is absolutely a huge part of why her new game got to capacity so quickly. I think another factor is game theme. If there’s a gap in the ‘market’ that people are jonesing for and they see a new game where they can play that stuff, they’re going to roll on in. Not saying that Testament is a schlub! He’s a good guy who runs a good game, and there is also that roll of the proverbial dice and the capricious whims of MUers to contend with.
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@L-B-Heuschkel said in MU Peeves Thread:
That said, I understand perfectly what you mean, Testament. I don’t think that there is a magical formula; even people known to write great games sometimes create a flop and sometimes, what you thought would be five buddies just doing their thing takes off and becomes huge. It’s largely outside our control, really, because it depends so much on who joins up and what else is available at the moment.
I absolutely loved Welcome to the Euphoria, but it was not a success. A lot of that was on me. A lot of that was on the pandemic. A lot of that was that the fact that it was a completely original theme that people didn’t have a lot to draw off of already. I think if I had done BSG, Farscape, Trek, StarWars, it would have worked a little longer.
@Bessarion said in MU Peeves Thread:
I think another factor is game theme. If there’s a gap in the ‘market’ that people are jonesing for and they see a new game where they can play that stuff, they’re going to roll on in.
I don’t believe that are too many other modern day “urban” fantasy mushes using ares and FS3, which have both become very popular. And I 100% attribute the mega growth of Pack to that.
That is all to say, I know what it feels like to put into work for something and then not feel good enough because it doesn’t have the same numbers as other games. Heck, I looked at Shattered’s wiki and now I feel second rate. x(
But I’m not Tat and I do things differently than Tat does. I’m not you either and I do things differently than you. The amount of world building and writing you’ve done for 7N is very impressive, and again, makes feel a little inadequate with the amount of info that’s up on my wiki.
But I’m more of a throw the idea out there, and fill in the details as I go type of storyteller. So I shouldn’t be comparing myself to you two.
We’re all good game runners and I know it is easier said than done to “don’t compare yourself”, but… Try not to.
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It also doesn’t feel great to hear about this successful new mush that…isn’t advertised anywhere you can see it. Private games are awesome!
Hearing about how successful and fun and amazing they are…is not fun for the uninvited.
Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but hey.
the entity previously known as Sunny
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@IoleRae I get the feeling, but I’m pretty sure all of the games mentioned in the last couple of pages are listed at https://arescentral.aresmush.com/games.
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Thank you!
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Guest-1 says, “what else do you do for fun?”
Nope, we’re not doing this.
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@KarmaBum said in MU Peeves Thread:
Guest-1 says, “what else do you do for fun?”
Nope, we’re not doing this.
A ghostly whisper of high school sports.
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@Snackness said in MU Peeves Thread:
@IoleRae I get the feeling, but I’m pretty sure all of the games mentioned in the last couple of pages are listed at https://arescentral.aresmush.com/games.
I was going to say, being listed there is an invitation. Games that don’t want outsiders simply don’t announce themselves to that list.
I know we haven’t really advertised Keys anywhere outside of that because we never expected it to be a crowd success. Now we seem pretty stable at about 50 scenes going on on most days and that’s wonderful – but as we have discussed above, it’s a lottery of who, what, and when.
Anyhow, if a game is listed on Ares central and takes applications, that reads to me like ‘come on over and check us out’. Even if they’re not making a big fuss elsewhere.
Any pronouns. Come to Chincoteague. We have ponies. http://keys.aresmush.com
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When you’ve been talking with someone for forty minutes asking them questions trying to get them to tell you what kind of scene they want, and you realize they never asked you what kind of scene you want.
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When as a game runner you constantly tell people to tell you if they need help getting into the game, when you run events, when you reach out when you see players starting to idle to see if anything can be done, and they ignore that message entirely…
…and then the second they get frozen/rostered they say ‘oh well no one approached me for RP so I idled’.
The fucking nerve, yo.
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@GF Awww. That sucks. I’m a firm believer in finding middle ground and all the people involved sometimes doing what one of the others enjoy. I’m a non-combat type, mainly, but I have a friend who does likes combat stuff. He knows I will likely not have the most fun with doing combat but I will if he wants a scene of it. He similarly does scenes of social or what have you that I prefer. Most of the time we try to do scenes we both enjoy, even if it is not our ‘favorite in the world’ because it is important to both of us to have fun. I /try/ to be like that with everyone I RP with. I make no promises of being successful at it. It is even harder for their side since I’m always ‘I’m game for whatever.’ and am never specific about what I want to do. I do say I am not really into combat stuff, though.
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Self MU Peeve –
When you use to RP with someone (or someones) and would talk OOC in pages, etc. Then they suddenly stopped talking with you or RPing with you. Also you got busy with RL. Then you are sure they must hate you now and that’s why they never reach out. Then you think maybe you accidentally offended them and they don’t want you to reach out either. So you don’t reach out because you want to respect them and if you made them uncomfortable/they hate you - you don’t want to intensify those feelings by reaching out or accidentally causing them grief. — But you do really miss RPing with them and talking to them, but you don’t know what you did or want to reach out and ---- it’s an endless cycle. I realize it’s probably in my head, but here we are.
As always, remember life is rough so in a world you can be anything - be kind.
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@Coin said in MU Peeves Thread:
When as a game runner you constantly tell people to tell you if they need help getting into the game, when you run events, when you reach out when you see players starting to idle to see if anything can be done, and they ignore that message entirely…
…and then the second they get frozen/rostered they say ‘oh well no one approached me for RP so I idled’.
The fucking nerve, yo.
I was literally just talking about this. I put a poll today, as I usually do every couple of months, looking for feedback. One comment was about how they couldn’t get involved because they felt like they didn’t really know how or what was going on, so they never actually RP’d. Which I consider to be a decently valid concern, even if I pointedly don’t make anyone sign names on the poll because I understand people feel more willing to give commentary when anonymity is offered. So I can’t reach out to this person even if I wanted to.
Now, to their credit, I have tried to make more posts about what plots are happening, story synopsis of what’s happed recently, and if you have any questions or are having trouble, reach out to me or another of staff.
But I also can’t help if no one talks to me that they’re struggling. I feel bad about that. And it sucks that I can’t try to fix it. So to the player who offered that feedback; thank you. If you’re out there and you’re reading this, please come talk to me. I’ll help how I can.
I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021
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Ultimately players need to put themselves out there and Be The Change They Want To See
.Nothing doing? Run something. People will probably turn up. If they don’t, you’ve found a threshold for what the community enjoys and you can decide whether it’s the community for you or not.
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@RightMeow Awww. I am the same way. I get in my head that paging most people for RP or to chat is me being invasive. So, I ask maybe once or twice on channel and if I get no response I go back to prodding at the few people I know don’t care if I talk to them about nothing.
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@Testament said in MU Peeves Thread:
@Coin said in MU Peeves Thread:
When as a game runner you constantly tell people to tell you if they need help getting into the game, when you run events, when you reach out when you see players starting to idle to see if anything can be done, and they ignore that message entirely…
…and then the second they get frozen/rostered they say ‘oh well no one approached me for RP so I idled’.
The fucking nerve, yo.
I was literally just talking about this. I put a poll today, as I usually do every couple of months, looking for feedback. One comment was about how they couldn’t get involved because they felt like they didn’t really know how or what was going on, so they never actually RP’d. Which I consider to be a decently valid concern, even if I pointedly don’t make anyone sign names on the poll because I understand people feel more willing to give commentary when anonymity is offered. So I can’t reach out to this person even if I wanted to.
Now, to their credit, I have tried to make more posts about what plots are happening, story synopsis of what’s happed recently, and if you have any questions or are having trouble, reach out to me or another of staff.
But I also can’t help if no one talks to me that they’re struggling. I feel bad about that. And it sucks that I can’t try to fix it. So to the player who offered that feedback; thank you. If you’re out there and you’re reading this, please come talk to me. I’ll help how I can.
Yeah. I don’t know. I’ve been known to sit around on a game and not get any RP, too, but that’s… me? Like, I don’t expect people to come to me, especially if I’m not coming to them first.
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Some of my favorite people to RP with (in spite of all the love I try to show them!) have a low opinion of their own RP-ability and RP-worthiness, and sometimes when I don’t hear from them, I think it’s me, while they’re over there thinking it’s them.
I must constantly remind myself to be proactive and fling myself at folks. Getting a ‘no thanks’ actually doesn’t sting much at all, but the total silence can be daunting.
Maybe not a peeve, but definitely a thing that goes in this thread.
I wish you would.
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@Pax Same. I’ve been in a nice juicy ‘I must really suck for some reason, no one wants to play with me’ spiral for a couple of years now going on that logic.
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The one thing I learned from being a gamerunner is that you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it RP.
And @Snackness you are great and I
you, just wanted to say that out loud. (@Pax we don’t play anywhere together but have in the past and YOU ARE GREAT TOO!) -
Finding out Shattered is set in an AU of my (metaphorical) back yard, and sounds exactly like the kind of game I like-- but apps are full.
Guess I’ll just hit refresh forever!
(Not a serious peeve. Knowing your limit and staying within it is a beautiful thing. This is just the ‘awwww maaaan’ type of peeve. <3)
