Bannings
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I’m just taking it as a good sign that there is at least one years+ lurker who has come out of nowhere, with no skin in any game, to point out how fucked it all was. And I’m hoping others follow suit.
We’ve got over a hundred folks here who came over, and sure some are probably on both still, but like. That’s 100+ people who aren’t sticking their head in the sand and pretending shit didn’t happen.
They want their ‘helpful community’ where nobody can use vulgarity and trying to warn others about a predator in their midst is a personal attack and you will be warned to not make a stir. It’s like how Hot Fuzz had that illusion of 0 crime rate! But like… where actual harm can happen!
I dunno, I got rambling and then distracted at work, and forgot where I was going with this.
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@GF I feel like genuinely expecting you to mod next to Derp is a truly mystifying position.
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As I’m pretty sure Gany is trying to play both sides here…
Prior to my banning, Ganymede told me this in PM:
The act itself is not something I condone or condoned. The fact is that I never sat down with Derp and said squarely…
As she has never publicly admitted that she thinks what Derp said was not something she “condones or condoned,” it’s worth pointing it out here.
Which. Hey! Maybe that finally explains the need for it all to be handled by PM? It’s easier to play one side off the other that way.
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@sao I rather suspect Ganymede doesn’t care who takes the job as long as they take it away from her.
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@Jennkryst Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I’m kind of annoyed that I now have two forums in which I lurk, though. Also I’m kind of sad that the community got split so thoroughly. I’ve seen it happen in hobbies before, and it just reduces the whole community.
But there’s no doubt that the entire situation was handled horribly. The call for silence was never going to work, seeing as it went against the entire history and culture of the forum (and its predecessors), which was always a soap box to rail against perceieved injustices and wrongs (and also to share thoughts, ideas, joys and friendly banter, but you know, lots of wrongs). Threatening to ban people for speaking out against things they find objectable was always going to result in a whole lot of people saying ‘fuck you, ban me then’.
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@lordbelh There’s also who knows how many accounts on there that lurked and then quit the hobby, for instance. The benefit of being like… a few weeks old here, we know everyone is active-ish.
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When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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@Narson that is super disappointing, I’m sorry you threw away your shot
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After deciding to unblock Ghost and see what all he’s written since he’s been unbanned, I stand by what I said: the man’s a slimy piece of shit, more importantly, one who gets off on drama and tries to stir it up. More of his time is spent insulting people than anything else, and yeah, any community that wants him, I don’t want to be part of. His is the most obvious fucking weaseling I’ve ever seen, but WE’RE the bullies, clearly.
Yeah. Everything still stands. Hope he reads this!
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After deciding to unblock Ghost and see what all he’s written since he’s been unbanned, I stand by what I said: the man’s a slimy piece of shit, more importantly, one who gets off on drama and tries to stir it up. More of his time is spent insulting people than anything else, and yeah, any community that wants him, I don’t want to be part of. His is the most obvious fucking weaseling I’ve ever seen, but WE’RE the bullies, clearly.
Yeah. Everything still stands. Hope he reads this!
I’ve always gotten the impression that something like 99.9% of all Ghosts posts are an attempt to troll or bait someone. Even when he’s on the same side as you on an argument it feels more about him trying to demonstrate his aloof superiority then a genuine attempt to be constructive.
@Jennkryst Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I’m kind of annoyed that I now have two forums in which I lurk, though. Also I’m kind of sad that the community got split so thoroughly. I’ve seen it happen in hobbies before, and it just reduces the whole community.
Judging from relative activity of the two boards, it looks less split and more like most active posters went over.
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Even when he’s on the same side as you on an argument it feels more about him trying to demonstrate his aloof superiority then a genuine attempt to be constructive.
No, that’s me.
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Hope he reads this!
100% he is.
I don’t think either he or Derp have the emotional fortitude to stay away much longer.
I hope my calling them out on it delays the inevitable KICKING OPEN THE DOOR TO TELL ALL US FOOLISH WOMEN (and Tinuviel) HOW WRONG WE ARE, but I expect them to show up aaaaaany day now.
Ghost for sure. That mofo cannot stand not telling us how much he doesn’t care about us.
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Even when he’s on the same side as you on an argument it feels more about him trying to demonstrate his aloof superiority then a genuine attempt to be constructive.
No, that’s me.
I mean, it is true. Ghost doesn’t need to demonstrate his superiority, he just alters words and meanings until it is self evident. He doesn’t attack people, you see. He only attacks bullies. So all the rampant attacking he does, over and over again, must be because others are bullies. Because he attacked them. And he wouldn’t attack them if they weren’t bullies. It’s so logical.
Just like the conspiracy of people harassing Macha’s friends for farfalla, or how people were being held back by a clique with no direct power (compared to an admin who banned a lot) and are now free etc etc. And that’s their reality, their nice little emotional space, where they can’t be told they are wrong about it, because it isn’t real in the first place. In the same way “our” version of how things went down will have elements of our own emotion around it creating our own altered version of it all.
I just know that if one list has @Snackness and @tsar, and the other has Ghost? I know which list I want to be on. He can call it a clique or bullying or name calling, I just call it having friends and cultivating my own little bit of happiness.
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@Sparrow Between Gany not explaining why Ghost’s ban was lifted, like she felt the need to do for the rest, and Ghost ALREADY resorting to personal attacks and name calling, let’s see how long until he gets banned again.
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@Jennkryst said in Bannings:
@Sparrow Between Gany not explaining why Ghost’s ban was lifted, like she felt the need to do for the rest, and Ghost ALREADY resorting to personal attacks and name calling, let’s see how long until he gets banned again.
I doubt much will be done. He has already engaged in attacks and broken the rules around assuming good faith etc, and others around him have got warnings and bans, and he skated on by. You are trying to find an objective yard stick for action, when the reality it is ‘What serves Gany and Derp best at this particular time and in their particular mind set’
When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.
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@KarmaBum Oh, yeah, he’s already made clear that he is. And that what I told called him clearly got its burrs into him and stuck with him – which is good. It should. He should be thinking “am I slimy piece of shit for this performative niceness when I routinely talk shit in the next breath?”
Also, Ghost, I never got banned! Hate to burst your bubble.
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yeah the whole “diverse opinions” thing is really weird when one side is “hates women” and the other side is “thinks slut shaming is bad”
like yeah…that’s the big difference that I can see between clique and not clique, sooooo if that’s really your view on the “sides” of the issue…
well the moderating decisions over there do make a lot of sense, if those are your teams
eta: if I’m clique now when I’m RPing again will some of you fuckers PLEASE play with me ffs
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