Liberation MUSH
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If one player is harassing another, being gross, a creep, etc., or purposefully instigating game drama that’s harmful to the game, I don’t think it matters if the conversation happens in pages or in Discord. I don’t think there’s some big magic divide here.
I just also don’t think the basic premise of “one player venting to another about a bad experience” is something that should ever be automatically bannable. And that a staffer saying “you shouldn’t be talking to anyone else about these experiences, only me” is SUPER duper sketch.
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@shit-piss-love I’LL TAKE THE BAIT
I’ll police the shit out of what people say outside the game. If you’re being racist, sexist, whatever via discord or any other avenue then I don’t WANT you on my game.
ETA: Goddamn it, Roz took the bait first.
she/they
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This is largely why I have zero issues with games having a list of known issue players who decide “Yeah, just preemptive ban these people and eliminate a problem before it comes one.”
Which is kind of Minority Report like, but also if said actors already have an established history of being shitheels, then it’s pretty likely they’ll be shitheels on your game too.
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I would rather people initially vent/bitch/whatever to their friends first, if they aren’t comfortable with staff yet because then they go to staff with a clearer head because they got the worst of their bad feels out to someone they trust. Which means they can, usually, react/understand better the questions put to them and, hopefully, everyone can get on the same page without the belief someone is conspiring in some form (aka that the staffer is protecting the bully, the person reporting is just lying etc). There’s also the possibility that the person couldbe thinking things are worse than they are when bad feels are at he highest so talking to the friend could help them be in a place they can tell their story with calmer feels and as accurate as they can explain. I don’t know how much that all makes sense since i am on my phone and no acess to my laptop atm. I guess what I am saying is I don’t agree with Sundance’s method because people don’t blindly trust staff especially if they have Bern around for years.
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I would bet cold hard cash that the vast majority of complaints submitted about other players started with the submitter talking to a friend about the incident first. So, like – even the desired behavior here of “only submit complaints about behavior that happened directly to you” almost always includes behavior that’s been stated as bannable (“don’t talk to anyone else but me about your issues with other players”). Because most people are going to a friend like “wtf, this player just did X, it was so fucked up” and the friend being like “wow that IS fucked up, you should report it.”
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lol imagine someone trying to stop me from talking about shit with people, lololololol
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Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord
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@Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:
if your friend falls foul of controlling behavior, it is a violation of game policies for your friend to tell you
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@shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:
Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord
lol whut
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@shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:
Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord
That’s not a thing that happened.
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@Roz said in Liberation MUSH:
@shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:
Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord
That’s not a thing that happened.
Malvici
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@Roz Well sure, but isn’t that why it’s called bait?
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@shit-piss-love Malvici?
Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.
However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.
eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy
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@hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:
@shit-piss-love Malvici?
Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.
However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.
eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy
Basically my understanding, yeah.
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@shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:
@hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:
@shit-piss-love Malvici?
Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.
However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.
eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy
Basically my understanding, yeah.
okay but you see how that is different than what you implied with
@shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:
Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord
right?
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@Coin i mean TECHNICALLY probably someone did get told not to talk about arx on discord. technically we are all somewhat correct, and can feel accordingly smug
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I don’t feel smug I had equal parts good and bad experiences on Arx and I like folks on this forum just fine. It was a thing that happened, and mud is an equal-opportunity projectile
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@hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:
Make your own mush!
Have tried. Will steal all of the Miami code and futz with the setting and turn it into my Everworld knockoff.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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turn it into my Everworld knockoff.
I totally read that as ‘Everwood’ and was both super confused and embarrassingly excited for a moment until my brain added the rest of the context.
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I appreciate everyone’s thoughts. Getting that out of my system and finding that a bunch of people with an outside perspective thought it was problematic was cathartic. Thank you.
