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      icanbeyourmuse
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      I would rather people initially vent/bitch/whatever to their friends first, if they aren’t comfortable with staff yet because then they go to staff with a clearer head because they got the worst of their bad feels out to someone they trust. Which means they can, usually, react/understand better the questions put to them and, hopefully, everyone can get on the same page without the belief someone is conspiring in some form (aka that the staffer is protecting the bully, the person reporting is just lying etc). There’s also the possibility that the person couldbe thinking things are worse than they are when bad feels are at he highest so talking to the friend could help them be in a place they can tell their story with calmer feels and as accurate as they can explain. I don’t know how much that all makes sense since i am on my phone and no acess to my laptop atm. I guess what I am saying is I don’t agree with Sundance’s method because people don’t blindly trust staff especially if they have Bern around for years.

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      • RozR
        Roz
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        I would bet cold hard cash that the vast majority of complaints submitted about other players started with the submitter talking to a friend about the incident first. So, like – even the desired behavior here of “only submit complaints about behavior that happened directly to you” almost always includes behavior that’s been stated as bannable (“don’t talk to anyone else but me about your issues with other players”). Because most people are going to a friend like “wtf, this player just did X, it was so fucked up” and the friend being like “wow that IS fucked up, you should report it.”

        she/her | playlist

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        • CoinC
          Coin
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          lol imagine someone trying to stop me from talking about shit with people, lololololol

          In Occam I trust.

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          • shit-piss-loveS
            shit-piss-love
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            Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

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              GF @Tchotchke
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              @Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:

              if your friend falls foul of controlling behavior, it is a violation of game policies for your friend to tell you

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              • CoinC
                Coin @shit-piss-love
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                @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                lol whut

                In Occam I trust.

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                • RozR
                  Roz @shit-piss-love
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                  @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                  Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                  That’s not a thing that happened.

                  she/her | playlist

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                  • shit-piss-loveS
                    shit-piss-love @Roz
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                    @Roz said in Liberation MUSH:

                    @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                    Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                    That’s not a thing that happened.

                    Malvici

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                      Testament @Roz
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                      @Roz Well sure, but isn’t that why it’s called bait?

                      I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                      • hellfrogH
                        hellfrog @shit-piss-love
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                        @shit-piss-love Malvici?

                        Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.

                        However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.

                        eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy

                        fr fr
                        (she/her)

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                        • shit-piss-loveS
                          shit-piss-love @hellfrog
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                          @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

                          @shit-piss-love Malvici?

                          Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.

                          However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.

                          eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy

                          Basically my understanding, yeah.

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                            Coin @shit-piss-love
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                            @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                            @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

                            @shit-piss-love Malvici?

                            Hi I’m the one that initially told people no/was the face of Arx’s THERE WILL BE NO ARX DISCORD policy. I know that I also often counseled people who were complaining about things happening on discord to stop using discord about the game.

                            However, telling people that something is not condoned, endorsed, or supported (as in we will not help you solve problems arising from this) is not the same as telling someone they are not allowed to do the thing.

                            eta: i also feel like i might vaguely remember apos telling a particular person/group of people not to discord about their game stuff in a fit of exasperation. I also might be making that up! Not saying it’s not possible, just saying it was not a game policy

                            Basically my understanding, yeah.

                            okay but you see how that is different than what you implied with

                            @shit-piss-love said in Liberation MUSH:

                            Nah my bait was about the time Arx told people they couldn’t talk about Arx on Discord

                            right?

                            In Occam I trust.

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                              hellfrog @Coin
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                              @Coin i mean TECHNICALLY probably someone did get told not to talk about arx on discord. technically we are all somewhat correct, and can feel accordingly smug

                              fr fr
                              (she/her)

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                              • shit-piss-loveS
                                shit-piss-love
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                                I don’t feel smug I had equal parts good and bad experiences on Arx and I like folks on this forum just fine. It was a thing that happened, and mud is an equal-opportunity projectile

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                                  Jennkryst @hellfrog
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                                  @hellfrog said in Liberation MUSH:

                                  Make your own mush!

                                  Have tried. Will steal all of the Miami code and futz with the setting and turn it into my Everworld knockoff.

                                  Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
                                  She/her

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                                    Sammich @Jennkryst
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                                    turn it into my Everworld knockoff.

                                    I totally read that as ‘Everwood’ and was both super confused and embarrassingly excited for a moment until my brain added the rest of the context.

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                                      Tchotchke
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                                      I appreciate everyone’s thoughts. Getting that out of my system and finding that a bunch of people with an outside perspective thought it was problematic was cathartic. Thank you.

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                                        Popes @shit-piss-love
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                                          Aria @Tchotchke
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                                          @Tchotchke said in Liberation MUSH:

                                          I appreciate everyone’s thoughts. Getting that out of my system and finding that a bunch of people with an outside perspective thought it was problematic was cathartic. Thank you.

                                          Dude, my friends and I left that game over way less awful shit than that. And while I sometimes miss my character and regret the amount of setting material I wrote up for a staffer that was very shortly thereafter replaced by a hypercontrolling weirdo…

                                          That policy (? bbpost? whatever it is?) is so beyond the pale that no amount of nostalgia would be worth going back. I suggest taking Roz’s advice and noping the fuck out of there.

                                          zoidberg

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                                          • GashlycrumbG
                                            Gashlycrumb @Tez
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                                            @Tez said in Liberation MUSH:

                                            @shit-piss-love I’LL TAKE THE BAIT

                                            I’ll police the shit out of what people say outside the game. If you’re being racist, sexist, whatever via discord or any other avenue then I don’t WANT you on my game.

                                            This is very reasonable.

                                            The trip that sucks is when staff police what people say outside the game and respond to shit like, “This is a stupid house rule, I hate it,” and “Cheaty-Cheaty Bang-Bang learned my PC’s secret OOC and used it IC, and Staff let it slide,” and, “The plot is centered on PCs who sit on it and never RP in public to share it,” by banning or otherwise punishing people for “hurting the game by making it look bad.”

                                            "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
                                            – A. Bertram Chandler

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