Numetal/Retromux
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Not sure who you played, but this doesn’t match my experience at all. RetroMux is probably the most stable game I’ve found in years now that Pika is gone. Sorry you had a bad experience.
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Yeah… Usually I avoid the who might be who and who’s a sock puppet guessing game. But. A new name with only one singular post on the forums popping out from the woodwork to proclaim Pika is gone, and Pika’s history… I’m not actually convinced at all that Pika is gone. WAY less inclined to believe that NOW.
We're all mad here.
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@Cygnus Long time listener, first time caller.
So, there is a lot to break down here, so we are just going to stick with the facts, and I am going to keep this civil and isn’t something I’d normally bring to light, but I feel it is something that needs to be addressed since now months later you seem to be on another tirade.
The topic of Eddie being a sex pest. It has never been reported to us, or if it has there was certainly no proof put in because we have a pretty strong track record of banning these types of individuals. Is Eddie a dick cheese ICly? He can be. Is he a cranky old vet OOCly? Yes, he can be, but he also has enough sense to backtrack when he has gone a little overboard and learns from his mistakes ICly and OOCly. Something we cannot say for you, Vincent <Don’t worry I’m getting to this later>.
The second accusation is that Chaos and the rest of staff are sex pests and that we are all having some sort of orgy together with our favorite players? I can’t speak for the rest of staff, but I know without a doubt that none of the vampire staff are TSing folks and certainly not for favors. Chaos and myself only run NPCs for plot and what PC’s I do have I haven’t significantly played since the first of the year because what time I do have is devoted to running plot for others. The pieces of those plots are not handed out based on who you are ICly or OOCly but handed to those who are motivated self-starters and proactively seek answers and investigate.
Thirdly, staff running prince’s is pretty standard these days. Players come and go, and a stable leader is needed.
Then I read somewhere else that he is outing people as trans. As per the case with the sex pest stuff. Where are the receipts? We’ve never had a case on there, to my knowledge, where a trans person was attacked for what they are and I’m 100% sure that if such a thing happened that person would be gone.
Now for the finale! Based on the things you have said and your recent discord campaign against Chaos it really can only leave your identity to one person, and it took a bit of thinking to put all the pieces together, but I am 99% sure that you are Vincent from Retro AKA Joe Sakai from Lib.
If you’ve made it this far stick around cause there is no TLDR version. I’ll explain to the readers exactly what Vincent was. Vincent was a Gangrel/kinfolk super special snowflake vampire, complete with shifter rites, that he got approved by utilizing a friend who was on staff that he regularly plays Dungeons and Dickheads with via discord. Unfortunately, Vincent has what we call Main Character Syndrome which means that he always must be the center of attention, have the coolest and flashiest of moves, and be the daring hero. Not really a bad thing but it is when it doesn’t work out how he expected it turned into everyone else is just assholes.
So, he comes in, brand new, introduces himself to the shifters and it doesn’t go quite as planned. The shifters reasonably reacted as if he was some sort of abomination. He was going to need to prove himself. It went about the same way with the vampires especially after he told the vampires that if he had to choose between the two, he’d have the shifters back <even if this is true why would you admit it in court in front of everyone?>.
At this point are he had the choice of buckling down and proving himself to either faction but instead he chose to ensue chaos by quite literally coming into every shifter meeting or court event and quite literally taking a nice big steamy shit right in the middle of it and showing his ass. You pissed off 2 spheres and would complain to staff to play the victim card.
At this point multiple staffers were wanting the character to be pulled but Chaos and I stood up for you to let it continue to play out ICly and see if you could pull yourself out of the gigantic hole you had dug yourself into at this point. Instead, you set a now standing record for going negative in the status system and had to be removed from the city.
So, your answer to this was to call upon the former staff, your buddy, to introduce a plot where your super special character finds some magical potion that turns a vampire back into a mortal. Something that does not exist in the books you expect everyone else to know cover to cover. Of course, we shot this down because it would set a precedence that we did not want to have to honor down the road in the interest of fairness to all players.
Even after that whole fiasco was over we were still going to allow you roll another special character but because we would not give you special favors, IE Extra XP to acquire more ridiculous powers, above what the templates called for and that we had given every other player you got mad and left and we never heard from you again…or so we thought.
In closing, this is a time for a little self-reflection and accountability. You, and you alone, are the one who sabotaged your character. If one or two people had been like ‘oh we dislike that guy’ that’s par for the course. Everyone rubs a couple of people wrong. You successfully made the majority of 2 spheres /loathe/ you.
So, there is two routes you can take here the first route is hammer the keyboard with a scolding rebuttal, which I’m fine with there is nothing within my character that you can attack, or you can take a look in the mirror and think ‘Man, maybe some of that was self-induced and maybe I should change my approach because maybe, just maybe, I don’t always have the best ideas or stick my foot in my mouth.’
Sorry for the long read, but there is so much more to this story that isn’t even being offloaded.
Sephiroth AKA Giancarlo
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Hi @Jenn ,
I’m happy to affirm that Pika is no longer associated with RetroMux. She stepped down from staff shortly after I started back in November/December. Then in April there was a site outage, from what we could discover it was likely due to non-payment.
It seemed like the right time to officially part ways. We got a new host, new wiki, and removed all traces of her affiliation. It was also a good time to refocus on our intent to have a community first game, which so far has seemed pretty successful despite the rocky origin of the game.
I recognize this is my first post (yay!) but my account isn’t brand new, in fact I made it shortly after we got situated from pulling the new site together. My lack of prior posts really just sums up to the reputation this place and it’s ancestors have, which is a bit…intimidating, especially to someone relatively new to Mushing (less than three years). But I’ve been liking posts here and there, and debating chiming in. You finally got me to do it!
Hope this helps offer some reassurances on the Pika front. OH! And so no one has to fret over the ‘who is who’ game, I’m Ori, an HST and the Shifter Lead on RetroMux.
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@MayorMccheez So if there’s more freight to be unloaded, just how big is the semi hauling it, if you follow?
I just want to know how many boxes of receipts there are, in other words. (Regardless of whether your 1% doubt of identity turns out to be the case.)
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Yours is a much more believable reassurance. Thank you for that.
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I didn’t have “Pika is secretly still on the game and posting about how great it is,” on my bingo card of responses to my post, but I understand the skepticism. For the record, I’m Headcrab / Crowley on RetroMUX, and I quite like it there, so when I saw someone saying some stuff that didn’t jive with reality I tried to post. And then I realized that I didn’t actually have an account, despite occasionally peeking at threads in the past, so I made one and then posted. I tried to keep it simple and noncombative, but I think that just made my statement seem vague coming from a new account. Glad Muse was able to corroborate.
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@Captain-Howdy said in Numetal/Retromux:
I didn’t have “Pika is secretly still on the game and posting about how great it is,” on my bingo card of responses to my post, but I understand the skepticism
Yeah, you’d think it’s a crazy response but it wouldn’t even be a blip on the “weird shit we’ve seen people do” radar.
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I’ll always remember a confrontation here years back where this one poster was just absolutely ripping a headstaffer a new b-hole, some of hands down the most contemptuous vitriol I had seen…because the guy refused to hand over the reins to an 80’s cartoon-based Transformers game instead of closing it. just wildly out of proportion and cruel stuff because they wanted to keep pretending to be a motorcycle that turns into a break-dancing robot, it was kind of amazing.
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@Cygnus Yah This player has had multiple issues across game platforms for targeting women. Yet is still accepted into this community. He has 5 alts all sit there idle. They are also fairly heavy on the bans for people that have been harassed.
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@thrax said in Numetal/Retromux:
They are also fairly heavy on the bans for people that have been harassed.
Since @Muse, @Captain-Howdy, and @MayorMccheez are all staff there, would any of you care to comment on this?
I’ve jumped onto RetroMUX as a guest bit to look at their ban announcements, and I’m curious as to who @thrax is claiming was harassed and then banned.
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@Wizz said in Numetal/Retromux:
a motorcycle that turns into a break-dancing robot, it was kind of amazing.
I agree. That is kind of amazing…
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Not my department, but I’m pretty sure no one has ever been banned for reporting harassment. I’d wager anyone claiming such is probably leaving out some pieces of a much messier story.
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@Captain-Howdy said in Numetal/Retromux:
I’d wager anyone claiming such is probably leaving out some pieces of a much messier story.
That’s always possible.
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To the playerbase of Newbetal/Retromux
An Apology to the fullest.
It is true The player behind Kahula overstepped a non contact request.
A friendship with the player behind Niall was formed onanother platform and when they extended an invite to the game, it was taken. Ethically she should not had accepted this invite, knowing that this player requested distance. However, with second chances, she did. Feeling at the time that keeping herself under cover for her own sake was better then not. Lets not mistake that the community at large already knew of his personal attacks once someone gets on his bad side. Multiple games, Multiple people - not just Kahula.She admitted to her mistake. Some understood it due to the fact that in reality she was only trying to avoid conflict even if she did, overstep this non contact. She admitted, and apologized.
When Staff came to speak to her she did not hide, nor keep information from them. The thing I wonder is how can they ban someone for avoiding conflict from someone known to be a problem. Yes she did hide herself, but is that in itsself worth a full gameban?
To top it off there were, other outside influences that were leaking into her real life from another player all together.
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You were being harassed OUTSIDE the game.so… thats ok? lol this community you speak of was harassing her. She was trying her very best to circumvent it.
Did she try to involve staff when a player that was outside harassing her was trying to rejoin the game? yes she wanted to look out for others.
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What I saw what this: You came back onto the game. Immediately involved staff in matters that had nothing to do with the game.I am also aware that the player of Kahula was actually given props for playing out a rather hard scene, and she herself was actually active in a good way to the game as a whole…
We all deserve chances, if someone who worked to turn a new leaf like Niall claims to have done, certainly someone who hid their presence just to avoid conflict should be able to show the community as a whole that they can do better. Ethically yes, she should had gone right to staff to tell them that someone invited her back who once held a grude. I dont know…
All I can say is this. The community at a whole suffers from a verity of disability’s, its why we escape here. Is it more harm to a game that someone hid… without takeing in the reasons why she did so.
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Hi @thrax ,
This definitely looks like only one small part of the story, including messages taken out of context (I do have the full conversation, it’s in the file). But to address your concerns-
We did try to weigh if this was conflict avoidance in play when reviewing Kahula’s situation. The problem with that is, she had a no contact order elsewhere on her by the player, and she obfuscated who she was across two games and discord, and SOUGHT OUT rp with that player specifically.
I don’t know about you, but if I tell someone that we aren’t good company for each other, and then find out months later that they hid who they were, on multiple platforms, and intentionally befriended me across multiple games, I would consider that some major red flag behavior and not an attempt to avoid conflict. It flirts with stalking territory frankly.
I don’t really think harrassment in any form is okay. Including outside the game. But it would be unrealistic to expect staff to address harrassment outside of the scope of the game. We do however address it in the game and take all tickets regarding it very serious, and the player harrassing her, was also banned at the same time for their own hosts of reasons.
Even with what I’ve shared here , it was only a part of the picture on why we reached the decision we did. Bannings are a laborous process, we often spend days if not weeks discussing and reviewing the material we have, and weigh the decision against the good of the community as a whole.
I understand many people use this hobby as a way to escape or cope with their own mental health struggles, and/or the world at large. I have in fact built my sphere and how we approach things with mental health in mind, we often can accomadate for ADHD, Anxiety, Depression and other mental health issues by adjusting stories, engagement, and how information is shared. But it is important to remember that neither the staff nor the playerbase are trained therapists and should not be held to the expectation of fulfilling that function.
So in summary, we absolutely took into account the reasons she might have hid who she was, the idea it was conflict avoidance unfortunately didn’t hold up to scrutiny. Hope that clarity helps.
P.S. I don’t know the policy here, but many places it’s poor form to offer up someone’s discord without permission.
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@thrax said in Numetal/Retromux:
When Staff came to speak to her she did not hide, nor keep information from them. The thing I wonder is how can they ban someone for avoiding conflict from someone known to be a problem. Yes she did hide herself, but is that in itsself worth a full gameban?
Hiding yourself from players you have a no contact with in order to RP with them is something I think deserves a gameban, regardless of how open you are with staff.
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