MU Peeves Thread
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I have a question. What do you get out of MUSHing, a hobby wherein you write paragraphs at people in a turn-based format, when you’re not actually doing the writing? What’s the end goal there?
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@somasatori Validation, probably. A certain number of MU*ers don’t do this because they love the craft of writing RP, they do it because they want people to notice them and like them.
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@Ashkuri God there’s so many easier ways
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@Sillylily said in MU Peeves Thread:
@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but could someone post the pose in question? I just want to see how we know it’s AI.
Same. I’ve been accused of using AI even with glaring grammar errors (I’ll spell check but I use Oxford comas, …, --, and even semicolons). My grammar will never be perfect.
it’s not great to know ppl think I’m using not human programs for my very human poses. I don’t think I’m a robot… if I am I feel like I m missing some perks.I think assuming Oxford commas, semicolons, and mdashes are signs of AI writing is ridiculous and stupid. I am not the one who compiled a list of poses from someone and ran them through an AI “detector”, either, which is why I didn’t point any fingers.
The mere POSSIBILITY of it happenings sparked my comment that if you’re gonna do it, just let people know.
In Occam I trust.
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I can understand people using it as a translator. From what little I’ve seen, it seems to localise better than your bog-standard Google Translate might. I’ve not seen it being used as such in a MUing context, but I might actually be open to it in that instance.
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@Ashkuri Preach. They’re not here to play the game, they’re here to play the players. New tech, but not new behavior.
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abigail williams told me @tsar uses an m-dash
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IDK, it’s just the more people that complain about people using ChatGPT to write poses, without actually showing the pose in question or calling said people out, just makes me wonder if this is a REAL problem or just a real “problem”, yanno? Like I’m sure someone out there somewhere is using ChatGPT but I don’t know if it’s enough of an issue for pitchforks.
Also I ran a bunch of my poses through ChatGPT and asked if AI wrote it and it said it was debatable and so maybe I’m just secretly a robot.
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@bear_necessities said in MU Peeves Thread:
IDK, it’s just the more people that complain about people using ChatGPT to write poses, without actually showing the pose in question or calling said people out, just makes me wonder if this is a REAL problem or just a real “problem”, yanno? Like I’m sure someone out there somewhere is using ChatGPT but I don’t know if it’s enough of an issue for pitchforks.
I think the issue is that there’s a non-zero number of these people, but because ChatGPT is fed on basically all of the prose it can find anywhere, it’s increasingly hard to determine who uses ChatGPT and who doesn’t.
Also, people might just be afraid that the person they think is using it actually isn’t, and don’t want to look like an ass when it comes out that the person they’re accusing is just bumbling through their poses in a way that feels generated.
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@MisterBoring said in MU Peeves Thread:
it’s increasingly hard to determine who uses ChatGPT
I want to start writing @descs of accurately described AI art… you know, the eldritch images with too many fingers or limbs and the like? As a bit.
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Here’s the thing for me about the AI writing.
It’s never em dashes, semi colons, and oxford commas that make me think something is AI. Here are the traits I’ve seen that indicate AI:
- The sudden arrival of stylistically different content that is unlike anything this person has ever been able to produce before (like a poem sent in 2 minutes from a player who doesn’t usually write poems)
- A lack of that person’s usual writing quirks (or any writing quirks), smoothed out into something that sounds very generic and is devoid of typos and human mistakes
- A weird regurgitation of theme content in an “in this essay I will” sort of manner, often using sentences directly lifted from the game website
- Bizarrely positive/cheerful content that doesn’t particularly fit the character/situation and is somehow boring at the same time
- Use of the second person, especially in descs: ‘you see this, you feel such a way about this person’ or other types of vaguely power-posing comments that are out of vogue in MUSHing, like ‘he intimidates everyone who sees him’
- More thought-posing and metapose than is common in mushing. People do of course metapose in RP, but the AI will churn out poses that sound like a novel or fanfic, as though the reader can and should be expected to extensively know what’s happening in a character’s mind by listening in on their unspoken thoughts and motivations. We don’t do that in MU. AI doesn’t know that.
Check enough boxes here and then put it through multiple AI detectors and they all say 99-100% AI likely? Not 40-50%, but 100%? It’s AI.
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@Ashkuri said in MU Peeves Thread:
More thought-posing and metapose than is common in mushing. People do of course metapose in RP, but the AI will churn out poses that sound like a novel or fanfic, as though the reader can and should be expected to extensively know what’s happening in a character’s mind by listening in on their unspoken thoughts and motivations. We don’t do that in MU. AI doesn’t know that.
You’ll pry my overuse of meta from my cold, dead hands!!!
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@bear_necessities I mean obviously some metapose is a normal part of RP, right. But in other types of fiction writing the reader often observes from a perspective of omniscience that is not part of MU-style RP. AI poses will often give you that omniscience where you don’t expect it, and it can be jarring/a red flag.
Few of the items in the list above, all by themselves, would indicate AI use. In my opinion, there’s a degree of severity + combination with the other ones that makes it ring as AI.
