Empire Discussion Thread
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@Wizz I appreciate the POV. I didn’t know that was how it was coming across.
Its a new game with not a whole lot of documentation and systems that were constantly changing so I was just trying to find out how things worked and I had gotten different answers previously so I was confused.
On the wait times we were told on channel that using the action system would get a response within a day or two, so that was my frame of reference. And up until recently, that had been true. That had been my experience. Without some sort of reference, I never know how long to wait before asking about it. I know on some games its reasonable to wait a month. On this one, she was specific to saying using the system the turn around would be fast, both because the game was new and the player base wasn’t big. So when I stopped getting that kind of response, I wondered if it was me that was doing something wrong. And I had asked previously, as mentioned in the page and I was told I was putting too much information in the job and that was slowing things down. So I corrected and put less information as she requested.
But then without any kind of correction or notation or anything like that, the jobs just stopped being answered. So I asked. And I felt weird about having a bunch of open jobs cause I thought maybe I was being too much of a burden, so I closed a bunch of them down. And the reason I felt weird because discussion amongst some of the players was that Ada wanted more activity from the players so that’s what I did. I got out and talked to more people and got actions going to keep people engaged… but then I saw the opposite response of what I was expecting.
I was just getting a bunch of mixed signals from her and maybe from other people too. I didn’t mean to be complainy about anything, but really just point out that I was being sidelined for doing what she specifically told me to do.
But if that was coming across harsh, I will own that as my fault and move on and try to address things more politely in the future.
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@MisterBoring said in Empire Discussion Thread:
@Warma-Sheen said in Empire Discussion Thread:
Ada pages you: It shouldn’t really, but the proposal to hand over all of Kournis’ resources is the only action submitted which I cannot discern an in-character rationale for.
And this contradicts that earlier statement.
Yes, thus the confusion on the part of @Warma-Sheen. It seems like Ada is talking out of both sides of their mouth. “Do I need to submit logs to justify the action I requested?” “No.” “Can you tell me if I am missing something from my request?” “I am not seeing any logs that I just said you don’t have to submit to justify an action.”
I would be fucking confused too. I mean it seems to me like Ada was being pedantic. “Do I have to submit logs?” “No, you don’t have to submit logs. The system will accept your request without them. However, if you want me to do something on your request, I will need logs.”
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just for the record, that kind of context paints the interaction differently and would’ve been important to have, but my impression isn’t entirely changed. in your op, you said:
@Warma-Sheen said in Empire Discussion Thread:
That’s the log in entirety. Nothing left out. That was it, completely. So be careful if you’re there. Don’t ask questions about policies or procedures. And definitely don’t communicate if you receive mixed messages and are confused.
And no, there were no other incidents that preceded this. It was just this from start to finish. One and done.
so yes, it did initially come off like just out of the blue you got very upset and impatient over small delay, which is not reasonable.
having your expectations set to a different standard and then watching them not be met with no explanation can be frustrating, I’ll give you that, but it was still only a difference of a few days, and this was the first time it had happened? so the way you approached it hit me as very unpleasant especially given that it was, like you said, your very first conversation about the issue.
try not to miss the forest for the trees, like. life happens you don’t have context for, this is something Ada was providing out of pocket at no expense to you, a little friendliness and patience goes a long way.
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@Warma-Sheen I don’t remember why I’ve marked you as a problem person (I think it had to do with you complaining about staff interaction with LA2043, wherein you were being a huge dick), but I chock this up to it being a You problem.
I have nothing more to say than that. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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From reading the log, I think @Warma-Sheen comes across as a little disrespectful and impatient toward the staffer. Had I been the staff member in that situation, I would definitely have asked them to go away, come back, and try again after an attitude adjustment.
However, Ada does also come across as a little thin-skinned here. It does feel like she has jumped to the nuclear option very quickly. If that is her definition of brow-beating, she should prepare to feel that way a lot with the average MU crowd, honestly.
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Especially in light of the extra info provided later, where extra detail had been provided superfluously, that’s not how I read Ada’s no about submitting logs.
I read that interaction as no, logs don’t need submitted with the job, because the @scene function should have already provided them. But since no scenes were auto-logged, she was asking if there was any OTHER verification for the RP she was expecting to have happened to go alongside such a large request for resources - including even just a basic confirmation that RP had occurred between the person who would be given the resources and the person making the request for them.
No, you’re not supposed to SEND logs, because the mechanic is there that will track them. Since I don’t see them tracked, can you tell me more about why this NPC should give you their ENTIRE pile of resources, and what RP has supported such a major ask being made, much less granted.
It’s text, so tone is always a guessing game. But that’s how I interpreted Ada’s responses.
When she made that request, she was accused of ignoring a player and accused of being frustrating, by a player who despite not having followed the game systems was still being given a chance to explain the request anyway. I saw a busy staffer offering to help a new player on a new game find a way to do what they wanted in case the game’s setup had been confusing and RP happened that somehow hadn’t gotten logged.
And instead of working with her so they could do that, the player came in hot because it wasn’t just an unsubstantiated approval.
I’m not going to say what is and isn’t worth banning on someone else’s game. That’s not my energy and time investment to navigate. But I don’t see Ada acting in bad faith in that interaction at all.
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@Pacha said in Empire Discussion Thread:
However, Ada does also come across as a little thin-skinned here. It does feel like she has jumped to the nuclear option very quickly. If that is her definition of brow-beating, she should prepare to feel that way a lot with the average MU crowd, honestly.
gonna disagree pretty firmly. I do not at all think that behavior is typical of the “average” crowd. I have MU*'d for a vast chunk of my life, and while I have certainly met a LOT of people who were pushy, disrespectful, or just straight up walking talking asshole, I have met tons of people who weren’t just fun, but considerate of RL and respectful enough not to cross a line like that – or at least never more than once; everyone starts somewhere, learning is a lifelong process, etc etc.
what you would call thin skinned, I would just say is having a strong boundary against shitty behavior, and it’s going to set a pretty clear precedent for what is and is not an acceptable way to approach Ada. I honestly would prefer more staff to have a very clear and hard line like that, because the only places I ever played where childish assholes were the average were where the staff were too inconsistent and let that kind of incredibly fucking irritating immaturity fly.
it’s their table, you’re a guest, act like it. it’s not hard.
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Forked a whole lot over here:
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It reads to me like someone probably tipped Ada off to who Warma was, and they were just looking for an excuse to ban them and found one in this exchange.
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If I didn’t know who this person was, I might have banned them based on that convo, too. If someone asks you “what request are you referring to?” and you hit them with 16 bars about how they are just ignoring you and they deleted a bunch of things because they are in their feelings, that’s - not necessary. Like they could have already been discussing how to actually move the request forward if they didn’t need to swerve into ‘i’m frustrated and i need you to redress my feelings’. If you had just said '18 and 27" or even tacked on a “ok, what do I need to get movement on this if not logs?” (which is a valid question) .
And who wouldn’t look askance at a request for a character to hand over all their org’s resources to another character? That’s sus as fuck
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Title: Kamzu’s undeclared alt, Sophia, rostered
Posted by: Ada
Date: 2025-11-29 22:51I am confident, based on server logs and observed behaviour, that Sophia was also being played by Kamzu’s player. I had initially assumed that she was played by Kamzu’s player’s friend, and I am obviously okay about people playing games with friends, but the balance of probabilities from what information is available to me is that they are the same person.
Sophia’s in-character actions are retconned in their entirety. However, since she never told anybody about her sweeping, far-reaching, and utterly transformative plans, including any of the three active Kournis characters, I doubt anybody will notice this retcon.
For those curious about her behaviour, she was invited to each of Kamzu’s actions. She asked questions on those actions as if in Kamzu-voice, for example, exactly how much the numbers on Phavah’s domain could be improved. She was going to cede the entirety of Kournis’ resources to Phavah, supposedly as a “loan”. She was going to spend her actions making administration rolls in Phavah lands. When I checked in with her – as I have with a number of people to see how they are doing – she told me that there was nothing to do, and that the only player who engaged with her was Kamzu.
They never interacted in the game.
yeah this is literally what he got banned from city of glass for
she/her | playlist
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Yikes, secret hidden alts to keep pestering people that don’t want to be pestered by the player anymore. Bad look for sure.
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@MisterBoring No, that’s not the behavior being described. It was using secret alts to give stuff to/generally benefit their main alt.
she/her | playlist
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@Roz said in Empire Discussion Thread:
No, that’s not the behavior being described. It was using secret alts to give stuff to/generally benefit their main alt.
Yeah, but continuing to attempt that is just pestering Ada, right?
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@MisterBoring I could be wrong, but there’s no indication in the forum post that it was continuing after the initial ban.
