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Bannings
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idk who @kalakh is but I would invite them to give a speech at my wedding
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@Kestrel Especially if she is calling my more annoying family members ‘brainless, mealy-mouthed, piss-licking pals’. Here. For. It.
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@Testament said in Bannings:
@Herja While I realistically wouldn’t expect it, I however would not be surprised if they somehow did the mental gymnastics to allow either Cullen or Dropkick to start posting there(I’m pointedly not including DWOPP in that because I can’t imagine any MSB staff being so oblivious to be okay with that). I would rate the things that Cullen did and what Hella/VK did to pretty near each other. So if they let one of them there…
Like I said, I’m not expecting but, also my expectations are exceedingly low at this point.
I would just like to say, loud and clear, in case anyone missed or somehow doubts this memo, that Cullen’s player is an actual, literal, real-life rapist.
I would love to post receipts. Dearly I would. Unfortunately that would be A) doxxing him & B) not my story to tell, not my receipts to share, and not one of his victims’ duty to publicly bare their trauma for the satisfaction of sealioning, misogynistic chodes.
I cannot adequately express the degree of livid I feel at some of the insinuations made on MSB these past few weeks; or how much it sickens my stomach to imagine that anyone would argue he deserves to be allowed back into community he’s abused for years to do it all. Over. Again.
I do not believe in second chances, not for him. He’s had a hundred already and abused them all. No.
But I hope making that case, or at the very least making light of the notion, is worth the internet points that MSB’s new boys’ club gets to reap at the expense of other people’s trauma. A categorical fuck you. Check your privilege, “simplications”.
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@Testament said in Bannings:
@Herja While I realistically wouldn’t expect it, I however would not be surprised if they somehow did the mental gymnastics to allow either Cullen or Dropkick to start posting there(I’m pointedly not including DWOPP in that because I can’t imagine any MSB staff being so oblivious to be okay with that). I would rate the things that Cullen did and what Hella/VK did to pretty near each other. So if they let one of them there…
Like I said, I’m not expecting but, also my expectations are exceedingly low at this point.
I would just like to say, loud and clear, in case anyone missed or somehow doubts this memo, that Cullen’s player is an actual, literal, real-life rapist.
I would love to post receipts. Dearly I would. Unfortunately that would be A) doxxing him & B) not my story to tell, not my receipts to share, and not one of his victims’ duty to publicly bare their trauma for the satisfaction of sealioning, misogynistic chodes.
Ah.
Then I retract my previous statement as I was not aware of that aspect of Cullen. I did not mean to make light of his actions had I known. Then I’d say he can share a spot with DWOPP as actual vile human beings.
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I am deeply disappointed, yet not at all surprised, that MSB has declared, “If anyone comes to us to complain about someone abusing them, we will default to assuming the abuser is the victim.” Thank god abusers now have an abuser-positive space, because there aren’t enough of those already, right?
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I am deeply disappointed, yet not at all surprised, that MSB has declared, “If anyone comes to us to complain about someone abusing them, we will default to assuming the abuser is the victim.” Thank god abusers now have an abuser-positive space, because there aren’t enough of those already, right?
Check your privilege.
(Deeply sarcastic. I am just completely astounded at the ever-living audacity of that gotcha.)
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Lol I never want @kalakh to come for me
Edit: Actually, I’m going to add a little more. Kalakh is one of the most evocative writers I’ve had the pleasure of encountering in this hobby. They also have a deep well of compassion for other players, empathy, and a passion for doing the right thing. Also, patient as hell with some stuff I wouldn’t be.
Also exceptionally talented at detailed verbal take downs that bad actors should be nervous about.
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I am deeply disappointed, yet not at all surprised, that MSB has declared, “If anyone comes to us to complain about someone abusing them, we will default to assuming the abuser is the victim.” Thank god abusers now have an abuser-positive space, because there aren’t enough of those already, right?
I make it a point to not actually look at that website as I’m doing my very best to keep my annoyance(read: anger) in check. It is difficult to wish no malice towards those there when I see statements like that.
But then I read things like this. I’m sure you were paraphrasing and this wasn’t actually said, right? Because that would just be one of the larger of y i k e s I’ll of seen lately.
Right?
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@Testament said in Bannings:
I’m sure you were paraphrasing and this wasn’t actually said, right?
Yes. I am paraphrasing in a way that attributes the outcome of their policy to deliberate choice. Given the most vocal cheerleaders for this policy and their histories, I do not think I am being unfair to treat the staff as knowing what they’re doing.
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I tried to read some of the thread that y’all are referring to and… it’s enough of a slog that my brain has just started to tap out in the middle of some of these really, really long abuse apologia posts.
Halfway through a multi-paragraph diatribe against people they don’t like (some of whom, admittedly, I also don’t necessarily like very much) but which seems to consist primarily of trying to turn the “Spiderman pointing at Spiderman” meme into philosophical treatise on how decades of online and offline predation is the same thing, the same level of bad, as being excluded from a space…
I just stop processing words. My brain converts the rest of the argument into a dismissive jerking off gesture, refuses to absorb anything else I try to force it to read, and honestly? I don’t feel like I’m missing much.
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Check your privilege.
(Deeply sarcastic. I am just completely astounded at the ever-living audacity of that gotcha.)
I don’t think it’s something to be sarcastic about. I mean, when you consider the immense power I wield as one of the core members of the Clique which, Illuminati-like, governs the destinies of all people in this hobby, what possible advantage could an abuser have apart from millennia of implicit bias and patriarchy, the support of gamerunners who either deliberately share those views or are too conflict-averse to want to stand up for victims, and a lovely little echo chamber from which to spread their disinformation? Truly my privilege is too overwhelming for anyone to stand against.
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Circling back a bit, I am also going to toss out how great the ‘why do you say it is easy to change your ID and then call people out for changing their ID?’ mentality is.
Simplications could be someone who previously had issues, and as they do or do not act in ways that might let people figure out who they are… things will go from there. If this is a former problem player who HAS changed, figuring out who won’t matter, because they are no longer a problem. If they haven’t changed… might take some work, who knows. But clean login, clean slate.
Mostly.
I think the real issue people have is how we keep calling out Hella/VK. Who did the bare minimum - the MU equivalent of an @name change, when everyone already has her on +watch or knows her DBREF or whatever. So of COURSE everyone knows who she is.
And since she has a history of… creating a new name and pretending to be someone else to more easily do sketchy shit, it’s easy mode to call her out on it. See above, about ‘making a fresh login to at least have a tiny bit of corroborating evidence that you aren’t the same person’.
OR I’M WRONG, but the only way that can convince me is to unban everyone.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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I mean, it’s also super disingenuous. Because as I’ve said a bunch of times, I don’t/won’t play Arx, so mostly when you guys bring her up I’m like, ‘Who?’ Really no skin in the game here.
But I’ve gone through the Arx bannings board for reasons related to someone I do know more about, and in the process ended up glancing over at her ban post too:
Players are never required to out themselves to anyone, and if they wish to leave the game and return and not tell anyone who they are upon return, that is completely fine. We support fresh starts.
However, when that fresh start places other players in situations they explicitly did not want with the returned player under the assumption and guarantee through OOC avenues that this is not the the old player, too many boundaries are crossed and the behavior is manipulative and robs the targeted players of informed consent. A player’s fresh start is not more important than the safety of those players who cut ties with that player in the past.
First sentence about it. This is like 30 seconds of research.
idk maybe there’s actually a giant conspiracy, and secretly she was banned solely for trying to fly under the radar — which would be hella wild — and then with the ban post everyone agreed that the unspoken rule would be lied about, while nefariously enforcing it on unwitting outsiders.
… Or maybe that’s not actually what people are mad about. Maybe.
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@Kestrel yeah, I used to have some faith in hobos as not being a bad actor. But.
Trying to pretend like saying ‘hey, starting over in the hobby by the virtue of anonymity is fine as long as you shed past bad behavior’ is anything like saying ‘hey, picking up the SAME character and pretending to be someone else OOCly even though it puts you in direct contact with people who have asked not to contact them while LYING to everyone actively about who you are’ is remotely the same is just–
I do like the word disingenuous a lot so I’m going to use it again. It’s mind boggling disingenuous, Hobos. It really is. Like, I am very disappointed in you. Not mad, just disappointed.
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@Meg Initiating contact with people who had NCOs, no less. And then asking about herself. To people who didn’t didn’t want to interact with her. Just –
If she really had only done the first thing, she’d still be peacefully playing on Arx with no one the wiser.
as previously stated, good day.
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@farfalla Initiating sexual rp with people they had accused before of being gross (or would in the future). All under not just false pretenses, but lie upon outright lie.
This is not the only shady behavior she engaged in upon her ‘return’. But its the one that stands out, glaring, in my mind. If this was a male player doing this to female players? There wouldn’t be any of this (admittedly tiny) resistance to naming her a disgusting creep.
That’s a violation, like - she violated people.
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@Kestrel That tracks with my impression of him. He’s the only player from MUs that would make me concerned for someone’s RL safety. The way he communicated showed sadism in a clear cut, deeply disturbing way. He is not just “this guy ruins people’s fun on games”.
