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    GF @Kestrel
    last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:03

    @Kestrel said in Bannings:

    There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby; Cullen for example had an iron cross as his forum avatar on HavenRPG for a while, and I’ve posted receipts elsewhere of someone going on a very explicit antisemitic & misogynistic tirade about me. On the recent thread, I also linked an example of what was basically an attack thread against me for wanting to start a pro-intersectional community for other MU*ers.

    Whoa. I honestly thought I was being too reactionary when the “healing” thread made me start thinking of Umberto Eco’s list, but it sounds like I’m not the only one who kinda got that vibe?

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      Narson @Kestrel
      last edited by Narson 28 Jul 2022, 19:04

      @Kestrel said in Bannings:

      There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;

      There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.

      Then you cram them in a U-Haul and try to commit a hate crime at a pride event.

      ETA: Umberto Eco’s ur-Fascism is a good starting place, but I’d really recommend Griffin’s work and other developments from the New Consensus and the cultural turn in fascist studies (Though of course accepting that some of the cultural understanding really goes back to the 1970s, but that fascist studies really is a more modern emergence as a scholarly field, so that’s when those older studies got really picked up and used)

      When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.

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        Kestrel @Narson
        last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:05

        @Narson

        Basically this is what I thought was happening:

        https://youtu.be/s-09gNDsPzQ

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          Roz
          last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:08

          WHO SAID FASCISTS WHERE NARSON COULD SEE

          she/her | playlist

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            Kestrel
            last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:10

            @Narson may not remember, but we have bonded before about Umberto Eco on MSB.

            Except I wasn’t sure if we were bonding or if I was being made fun of because this is the internet and idk them.

            Everyone is sus.

            SUS, I say

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              Aria @Narson
              last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:11

              @Narson said in Bannings:

              @Kestrel said in Bannings:

              There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;

              There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.

              As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.

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                farfalla @Kestrel
                last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:11

                @Kestrel don’t worry, there is 0% chance of Narson making fun of someone for talking about fascism.

                as previously stated, good day.

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                  Kestrel @farfalla
                  last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:12

                  @farfalla said in Bannings:

                  @Kestrel don’t worry, there is 0% chance of Narson making fun of someone for talking about fascism.

                  @Narson is now my friend.

                  They have not consented to this.

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                    L. B. Heuschkel @Aria
                    last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:14

                    @Aria said in Bannings:

                    As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.

                    This, but in Danish folklore and history nerd.

                    Any pronouns. Come to Chincoteague. We have ponies. http://keys.aresmush.com

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                      Narson @Aria
                      last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:14

                      @Aria said in Bannings:

                      @Narson said in Bannings:

                      @Kestrel said in Bannings:

                      There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;

                      There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.

                      As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.

                      You get it on a lot of things - I have reported a lot of stuff on steam that I’ve just casually come across on games like Humans Fall Flat etc. I have a whole list of ‘Why the things we like are also Nazis’. It might be why I’m not allowed at parties.

                      When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.

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                        Roadspike @Aria
                        last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:15

                        @Aria Oh look, 4 of the 5 things you listed are 4 of my own interests, and my history specialization is modern European (really WW2). This is very familiar to me.

                        Formerly known as Seraphim73 (he/him)

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                          Aria
                          last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:17

                          @L-B-Heuschkel @Roadspike

                          Okay, but…

                          Squints

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                            Roz
                            last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:17

                            oh god oh shit there are two of them

                            she/her | playlist

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                              Dreampipe @Aria
                              last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:17

                              @Aria said in Bannings:

                              @Narson said in Bannings:

                              @Kestrel said in Bannings:

                              There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;

                              There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.

                              As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.

                              Seconded. I’m a white dude and it’s sometimes really anxiety inducing to talk about those kinds of interests without feeling like, “guys I swear I just like the stories, I’m not a white supremacist”. Double whammy because I also like power metal.

                              At least a lot of them usually don’t take long to go mask-off. I remember people using SS designs in medieval games like Mordhau or Chivalry. No it’s not a pair of lightning bolts, I know what you are.

                              Ask me about professional wrestling.

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                                L. B. Heuschkel @Roadspike
                                last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:20

                                @Roadspike said in Bannings:

                                @Aria Oh look, 4 of the 5 things you listed are 4 of my own interests, and my history specialization is modern European (really WW2). This is very familiar to me.

                                We, uh, occasionally get Questions about that entire bookshelf full of books about WWII tactics and philosophy.

                                By philosophy I mean Himmleresque bullshit.

                                Any pronouns. Come to Chincoteague. We have ponies. http://keys.aresmush.com

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                                  Tez Administrators @Dreampipe
                                  last edited by Tez 28 Jul 2022, 19:20

                                  @Dreampipe said in Bannings:

                                  @Aria said in Bannings:

                                  @Narson said in Bannings:

                                  @Kestrel said in Bannings:

                                  There are actually a fuckton of literal fascists in this hobby;

                                  There are fascists in a lot of places, alas. Fascists in gaming is an interesting area people are working on, but the far right were early adopters of online spaces (including back in the BBS days). Their methods will only ever get a small percentage of the population, but if you have so many people you can access, you can get to a much greater proportion of that small number and…well.

                                  As someone who is super into history, Norse mythology, Crusader Kings, punk rock, and RPGs, the amount of time I have to spend squinting at people with common interests and going “Okay, but are you a fucking Nazi?” is both alarming and exhausting.

                                  Seconded. I’m a white dude and it’s sometimes really anxiety inducing to talk about those kinds of interests without feeling like, “guys I swear I just like the stories, I’m not a white supremacist”. Double whammy because I also like power metal.

                                  At least a lot of them usually don’t take long to go mask-off. I remember people using SS designs in medieval games like Mordhau or Chivalry. No it’s not a pair of lightning bolts, I know what you are.

                                  Look, I can’t lie. I would use a pair of lightning bolts because I think lightning bolts look cool.

                                  AND THEN I WOULD BE FUCKING MORTIFIED WHEN SOMEONE TOLD ME.

                                  Pour one out for everyone born in 1988 who is innocently making very poor choices about their usernames.

                                  she/they

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                                    Testament
                                    last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:20

                                    It’s for this very specific reason that I don’t grow my beard out to an extreme length. I already have the tall, bearded white guy that shaves his head down. I don’t have any desire to be confused with someone else.

                                    I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                                      farfalla @Tez
                                      last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:23

                                      @Tez said in Bannings:

                                      Pour one out for everyone born in 1988 who is innocently making very poor choices about their usernames.

                                      I told someone who had an ares tag like that. I couldn’t decide whether to say anything but I decided that I would sure want to know. She was, of course, horrified.

                                      Fucking nazis, ruin everything.

                                      as previously stated, good day.

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                                        Dreampipe @L. B. Heuschkel
                                        last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:24

                                        @L-B-Heuschkel said in Bannings:

                                        The problematic conversation usually goes like this, in my experience.

                                        “I’m uh, y’know, really into WW2 history. Anyway, here’s my thesis on how Hitler could’ve won–”

                                        “Oh okay, what about the other theatres?”

                                        “What?”

                                        Ask me about professional wrestling.

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                                          tsar @Narson
                                          last edited by 28 Jul 2022, 19:24

                                          @Narson said in Bannings:

                                          Groth asks if this is how it ends. Result? Nothing

                                          lol this is so uniquely depressing

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