Bannings

Tez

@Pavel

that makes me so sad.

The whole thing makes me sad, too. I 100% get it. And I was only really involved from the outside, as observer and lurker. I understand why it would LEGIT be hard for people who were more a part of the community. I’m sorry.

Dreampipe

It’s kinda ironic to think that there were a lot of accusations thrown around of cliqueish behavior when so few of those bans were actually overturned. Especially the more egregious ones – you would expect there to at least be an explanation as to why people are staying banned if they wanna go with more transparency.

But the ‘internal review’ was also done by two people who went open season on people protesting as is, so I mean, I don’t know what I expected.

MisterBoring

@Pavel

wtf

Jennkryst

‘So many people messaged me in support and will remain anonymous as they continue to fear for their saftey!’ is… an argument, I guess. Weird how it keeps getting made inconsistently.

Pavel

@Dreampipe said in Bannings:

But the ‘internal review’ was also done by two people who went open season on people protesting as is, so I mean, I don’t know what I expected.

We have investigated our decisions and found that we were right. We have also investigated ourselves for bad behaviour and found that we were good.

Funny how that works.

Testament

@Tez said in Bannings:

@IoleRae said in Bannings:

@Pavel

that makes me so sad.

The whole thing makes me sad, too. I 100% get it. And I was only really involved from the outside, as observer and lurker. I understand why it would LEGIT be hard for people who were more a part of the community. I’m sorry.

It is sad. Because it didn’t have to be this way. Conversations could’ve been had. Conversations in good faith. And I believe they weren’t simply because or pride and/or ego. And that’s my belief, that people, even when having conflicting views, don’t want to try and figure out. How to resolve it. It’s just “here’s my space, there’s your space”. To me, it smacks of tribalism. But that’s human behavior, moving along in groups where you agree and are like-minded.

The instigation of so many rules isn’t going to make a place ‘safer’. Give the illusion of safety perhaps. But it’s safety that’s crafted out of fear. Because now the precedent has been set and people will be far more trepidatious to speaking out simply because it sounds like an opposing viewpoint isn’t welcome or observed. If you want to make a place feel safer and welcoming, there has to be a certain level of buy-in. And if there isn’t, you’re going to continually have situations like we’ve all just witnessed.

But again, I think it comes down to pride or ego, or both. And the unwillingness to try and resolve conflicts.

sao

It’s ludicrous and my inability to keep my mouth shut gave that shitstain of a human Macha more platform to lie about Farfalla and I feel really bad about that.

I’m sorry.

Pavel

@Testament said in Bannings:

Conversations could’ve been had.

They were had. And we were each, individually, lied to. At least I certainly was.

Testament

@Pavel I’m sure there was. It wasn’t something I had, but I also didn’t try, as I have enough mental and emotional bullshit to deal with. But that’s also why I said conversations in good faith.

Which clearly, there was not.

hellfrog

Listen. They built themselves a community there that really fits the level of self-awareness and spite this whole thing demonstrated.

I, for one, wish them all the best building a more positive and constructive community with the likes of vulgarkitten, ghost, derp and macha.

Bless that mess.

Narson

@Testament I think it’s also worth recognising the power relationships in play - in that one side in this had, and claimed, absolute power and authority. We are nerds, we should all be familiar with the idea that with great power comes great responsibility.

But, it is all over now. They’ve got the person convinced there is a giant conspiracy of Farfalla supporters stalking unspecified people making threats, and Ghost telling everyone how great it is to be nice while throwing insults around at people not on the board. So. They can enjoy that. We can enjoy constructive stuff. I’ve got more out of a few days of BMD so far than my time on MSB!