Numetal/Retromux
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@LeeRoyBatty Literally who cares? What, do I need to play the same Toreador that’s been apped a thousand times, with an occult bookstore or a bar, who just social RPs all the time about nothing? I play games like this for interesting and unique stories.
By these terms, any character who isn’t a cookie cutter app is a Gary Stu. I didn’t self insert a self-dealized version of myself into this shit, which is my understanding of a Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Generally those are like romance authors who make main characters that are sad, lonely authors who also know kung fu without training, but just want a man/woman to love them, or whatever.
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@Juniper said in Numetal/Retromux:
Is it normal to view unpleasant, controversial or “dumb” in-character behaviour this negatively? If a character causes trouble, is that considered subversive to the community or even rude? Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?
I’m seeing why this character might have been a problem to other characters, but I guess I don’t see why that means the OOC actor was a problem. Seems like a lot of bleed.
It was an immense amount of bleed. I’ve never seen it so bad at any other game, and I’ve played or staffed at most if not all of the big WoD MU*s over the years. It was bad enough that this game made at least 5 of the people I RPed with on that game quit MUSHing for good. RetroMUX is filled with people who think they can decide how you should RP, with whom you should RP, and staffers who don’t do anything when this sort of browbeating continuously happens.
Not to mention, if you spoke up about the bad behavior of staff, god forbid, you’d get instantly site-banned. Like what happened to the person who was outed as trans by Chaos. For those who say it didn’t happen, I’m sure he even mentioned it to me in pages, not just in the super secret shit talking discord they had. ‘Oh, by the way, this character who is female is played by a guy and I don’t like them, so don’t listen to their complaints’ is what I remember.
It’s not normal, it was an inordinate amount of abuse and toxicity, and in my view, people like Wyrmsign here are blowing how bad I was -way- out of proportion. I still fail to see how me sitting in court as a wolf for the majority of Courts, standing by the door looking angry, and walking out when it was done, is somehow so extremely disruptive. That was the majority of what I added to Court scenes, first and last court not included.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
It was an immense amount of bleed. I’ve never seen it so bad at any other game, and I’ve played or staffed at most if not all of the big WoD MU*s over the years.
I would honestly believe that if you have been playing or staffing most of the big WoD MUs over the years, that you only recently started noticing bleed, or that you didn’t interact with it in your activities on those games. I’m almost 100% certain that every one of the big WoD MUs over the years has had a huge amount of unmitigated bleed.
Being unaware of bleed is not the same as bleed being non-existent.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
@LeeRoyBatty Literally who cares? What, do I need to play the same Toreador that’s been apped a thousand times, with an occult bookstore or a bar, who just social RPs all the time about nothing? I play games like this for interesting and unique stories.
By these terms, any character who isn’t a cookie cutter app is a Gary Stu. I didn’t self insert a self-dealized version of myself into this shit, which is my understanding of a Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Generally those are like romance authors who make main characters that are sad, lonely authors who also know kung fu without training, but just want a man/woman to love them, or whatever.
Hahaaha well obviously, you, dude, evidence is in bothering to reply with an army of strawmen like “OH SO BECAUSE I’M NOT PLAYING A COOKIE CUTTER TOREADOR I’M THE PROBLEM? I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA” - bro it’s not a dilemma between either “play a boring cookie-cutter character” or “play my unique snowflake” you can create a character which is both unique and balanced/respectful of the setting. Your character was sure as shit unique alright, but neither balanced nor respectful of the setting. I don’t mean mechanically balanced, I mean like, made with thought towards how your character was going to integrate into the themes of a VTM game.
Nobody said you can’t be creative. The critique is that your proprietary blend of Kinfolk + Gangrel + werewolf rites + Gifts is batshit nonsense that doesn’t belong in a Vampire game. That’s not ‘cookie cutter vs. unique,’ that’s just you trying to weld two incompatible splats together with a coathanger and a lighter and daring staff to say no.
Gary Stu doesn’t just mean ‘self-insert wish fulfillment’, it also means someone who warps the rules and narrative to make themselves The Specialest Special Boy. And if you still want to say NO I’M NOT A GARY STU BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE DEFINITION I GOT FROM I’MRIGHT DOT COM SAYS THIS SHIT OVER HERE, it doesn’t change the fact that you leveraged the rules to make yourself The Specialest Special Boy. Pretty Unicorn Princess Palpatine trying to tape together a Kinfolk template + vampire template + werewolf powers and still argue it wasn’t special-pleading.
While it’s to a large extent on staff to recognize such an unplayable character cocnept on its face and give you guidance to tell you to play something else, and prior staff didn’t do that - that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a collaborative storytelling game where you share the spotlight and DON’T make yourself The Main Character Chosen One Pretty Unicorn Princess Palpatine Specialest Special Boy out of a general sense of social notdickery in a collaborative creative space because you can do this thing called ‘introspection’ and ‘self-awareness’ by doing things like maybe not fucking sitting around in elysium in wolf form???
Seriously who tf sits around in elysium in wolf form I’m fucking dying - that’s some peak “i’m not like other vampires” energy dude and you didn’t expect that to be reacted to???
Yeah, Gangrel can shift into animals but like - you don’t go padding into Elysium as a giant fuckin’ furry and flop down next to the Harpies like, “sup guys, don’t mind me, I’m just so unique and primal, I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ME”. You also don’t go into elysium with a weapon in general - and you’re making your body into more of a weapon than it is, it’s boundary testing bullshit, like, it makes as much sense as showing up to Elysium with a fucking shotgun strapped to your chest adn being like WELLL YOU KNOW I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ME
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@MisterBoring When did I say I never saw it or dealt with it? Not sure how you got that out of the quote you pulled. I’m saying it was, by far, the worst on RetroMUX. Even old games like the Reach and Haunted Memories weren’t even close, and they weren’t great in those departments.
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@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:
doesn’t belong in a Vampire game
Says you. I call bullshit on that. The merit ‘Supernatural Kinfolk’ means that the developers thought different.
Also, damn, you are triggered as fuck. Maybe go on a walk or something and think about how any of that word vomit you just posted justifies continuous OOC harassment for months on end, and the platforming/defense of problematic sex pests, staff favoritism, and all the other bad shit that has been revealed with receipts about this game.
‘Oh no, your character is a jerk, better make that the entire problem and ignore all the heinous shit staff did on this game!’ - you, basically
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Don’t listen to him @LeeRoyBatty , you’re making me cry laughing so hard over here with every post. POST MORE PLEASE.
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@bear_necessities bro watching this guy edit in real time seconds after saying “you’re triggered” is sending me
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You heard it here, folks. Receipts of bad staff behavior don’t matter, it’s also totally cool that staff hits on players in their DMs, outed trans people, and repeatedly lied in this thread. A gangrel took wolf form in Elysium and took a shifter merit, so let’s get him!
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@LeeRoyBatty Your takes are braindead, so enjoy yourself I guess. Simple pleasures for simple people
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
The merit ‘Supernatural Kinfolk’ means that the developers thought different.
The Supernatural Kinfolk means that the devs gave players toys, a niche connector merit, not a blank check. You’re just quote-mining mechanics. The fact that your character was a vampire kinfolk wasn’t the issue in the first place, just the first domino in the big ass soup of hilarity.
Also, damn, you are triggered as fuck. Maybe go on a walk or something and think about how any of that word vomit you just posted justifies continuous OOC harassment for months on end,
“You’re triggered” is just a lazy ad hominem / tone-policing move that tells me you can’t refute my points so you’re attacking my delivery of them.
and the platforming/defense of problematic sex pests, staff favoritism, and all the other bad shit that has been revealed with receipts about this game. ‘Oh no, your character is a jerk, better make that the entire problem and ignore all the heinous shit staff did on this game!’ - you, basically
Bro, sex pests, staff favoritism, and all the whataboutism - even if/where true, is irrelevant to the fact that it’s hilarious that you walked into Elysium in wolf form like THIS IS WHO I REALLY AM INSIDE, BELLA
Like dude all that shit flinging about staff tomfuckery is a separate issue, I’m just over here saying it’s hilarious you can’t admit that your character was very like, Super Special and you did some shit that was absolutely unhinged ICly like … telling the truth in a game specifically centered around controlling the truth is FUCKING FUNNY
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@Cygnus, my guy/gal/person… It’s very much not the concept itself that was the issue. Heck, there is a whole bloodline in NWOD that is basically kinfolk vampires. It was the way you apparently insisted on needing to be The Chosen One in not only one but TWO spheres and seem to have thrown tantrums when people didn’t fawn over how special and amazing your character was.
Like seriously, just read over your PRP pitch and tell me how that’s not your one last attempt to show that your character’s body was SO BAD ASS and your character’s spirit was SO SPECIALS.
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@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:
THIS IS WHO I REALLY AM INSIDE, BELLA
ok. This made me laugh. LOL
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@catzilla I know it was cringe, but I posted that in response to a STAFFER here saying I wanted to build a special potion to become a human/shifter again. That is not what happened, I posted that to show that he was lying, not that I was a guy with all the best ideas LMAO
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i like this thread mostly because it’s a great reminder that sometimes a story doesn’t have any heroes in it
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@NotSanni said in Numetal/Retromux:
i like this thread mostly because it’s a great reminder that sometimes a story doesn’t have any heroes in it
idk man the hero of this story is clearly @LeeRoyBatty who is now my top favorite poster of all times
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@Cygnus You said you never saw it as bad. I was counter positing that it’s that bad at most of the games, and you were just blind to the level of bleed actually going on around you.
Also, we’re trying to separate what you did and what the staff / players did into two separate streams of thought and you keep trying to cross the streams.
What we all keep saying is that there is no excuse for what you did, nor is there any excuse for what Chaos / Eddie / other staff and players you are upset about did.
You apparently just wanna watch the world burn, in the most Ghostbusters sense of the concept.
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@MisterBoring how is my making a gangrel kinfolk character even slightly equivalent on the toxicity scale with all the shit I’ve proved about this game? I came with receipts too, and people are just saying shit about me that didn’t happen without a receipt to be found. I posted the truth about the situation, including stuff about my character. Because I could really care less about what people think of my character. Some people like it, some people didn’t. Who cares?
What annoys me is that the majority of people here are ignoring the actual problematic shit to get mad about how people decide to have their fantasy fun time. It has true WORA genetics, but it’s the definition of strawman and not at all equivalent in terms of shittiness. Sorry, but I don’t see how the fact I had a couple rites and took a wolf form in court is equivalent to OOC, cross-character harassment that multiple people in this thread have pointed out about this game. NOT just me.
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@Cygnus said in Numetal/Retromux:
how is my making a gangrel kinfolk character even slightly equivalent on the toxicity scale with all the shit I’ve proved about this game?
It’s not what you made, its how you acted when you were given the special circumstances, cross-sphere character.
Also, to make you feel better: I fully believe at least part of the staff (and Eddie) did horrible things to you, and they should be drug through the dirt just as much, probably more than you feel you are being pulled through the mud over your choice to fire up a bat signal and make a walking spotlight.
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Also: I can’t make anyone else on this forum switch topics from your dumpster fire of a character to the dumpster fire of Eddie and the people on Staff that did toxic shit to you. Mostly because you keep running back in here and throwing gasoline on your character dumpster fire and making it a much bigger, brighter spectacle than the other.
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