MU Peeves Thread
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Genuine question: is it the idea that only priests control the magic fruit that is objectionable? Or the idea of people being infertile without it?
Like, if it were a case that people were in some weird time distortion dimension that an environmental effect makes it hard to procreate, but there is a widely available plant that guarantees success when the potential parents take it, would that also be objectionable?
I personally prefer not having to worry about pregnancy and all that shit in my RP. Not saying concordia’s idea is a good one, just no way do I want to have to worry about it.
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@Cobalt For me, it’s the idea of priests (or anyone) having reproductive control over someone else.
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it’s just a lot. IME when you need to legislate something for OOC/game reasons, it’s best to use a light hand. And when people start to try to logic around it, you can just say 'please handwave this, we just don’t want to deal with it".
Going super in depth about it does the opposite - it invites people to try to point out plot holes or contrivances, and then you are dealing with dealing with the thing you didn’t want to deal with.
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@Snackness It gives me extra ick with the untamed tribes thing too.
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@Tez omg i didn’t even read all the sections
‘this is way too much words’
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wild as hell on so many levels
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@Tez Yeah. There are just so, so many worms in this can.
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I dunno. When one of the major premises of the game is that every birth opens up a new interdimensional rift through which terrifying things can flow, which is featured prominently in the lore writeup and splash pages and has been from the start, I don’t see that it’s outlandish that society would build up control and ritual around it.
Though I’m a fan of saying bluntly no you can’t spring a bastard or unknown child on people past or present without consent or need to make it abundantly clear that that can be done and there are many ways to do that. I do think that child stuff is always tricky and always will be, and have yet to see a place where that was handled in a way where there wasn’t some ick or drama over it, whether that’s weird people entering a family as pcs, staff dictating results of conception, ect. It’s always going to have to be some kind of policy thing because players largely don’t read/don’t give a shit about social/pc consequences or disapproval (or they love it too much in a spank me ive been a naughty person way).
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Bummer, this would’ve been an April Fool’s Day gotcha I would’ve found kinda actually funny, which is a rarity.
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@mietze That’s fair about the QUENCIES in this game canon, but I don’t love the worms in this plum. There are better ways to do it that don’t squick so hard.
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I’m not certain there’s better ways so much as squicking different people. Except for perhaps a very blunt ooc rule of “No. This will not be entertained as a playable concept/something in play.” Which i am also a great fan of. Sometimes I think there’s too much bending over backwards to make things make sense or to try to convince players that no really this has a ic reason so you should be okay with it.
Except for the problem folks are never going to be okay with it and you will always have some non problematic folks that will disagree with any restrictive decision.
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The natural conclusion of religious authorities maintaining strict control over the reproductive rights of laypeople is abuse. Like, that’s just where it inevitably leads. And if that’s the story you want to tell, that could be absolutely interesting for some people. I would be interested! I don’t have triggers or squicks in this particular area. And it’s honestly fine to explore some story areas that not everyone wants to play.
But I have to wonder if it’s meant as story to be engaged in to that depth, or if it’s building logic around “no you can’t spring babies on each other.” Because if it’s just that, along with building around the thematic issues of troubles happening with birth, but not necessarily meant to be interrogated as a full piece of the story to explore…then yeah, you’re inviting attention you don’t want.
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@Roz I wouldn’t be surprised if there will be a way to investigate why/how or if there can be change is part of the things that can be done just because of other ways the metaplot seems to be leading to finding out why the rifts are happening/if there is another reason/why did they only start a few generations ago/what were things really like before, ect
But I’m not staff and don’t know for sure.
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@mietze Okay, every birth event being a cosmic horror experience is both relevant to my interests and makes this whole thing sound twenty times more interesting.
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Nobody:
Absolutely Nobody Ever:
The Church in Concordia:
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I am not a fan of pregnancy RP but sometimes it can help stories along for plots or people (people being those that find RPing about babies and stuff fun). To have to jump through hoops to ‘have a child’ is not my cup of tea. Unless once you eat this fruit you are for sure going to have the spawn child you want, I don’t find the idea appealing.
On Atharia I basically went ‘Baby prevention is flawless. Both people involved take a pill (I think that is what I decided) and have pretty much have all their life. Both need to decide not to take it for a spawn child to be born. There is no ‘surprise baby’ for people. (I forget exactly how I phrased it and am lazy to look)’ I feel like I addressed the ‘surprise you’re a parent!’ issue people like to do. I did leave in the option for people to decide to have a bastard child but the parents have actively made the choice to have one, making them the scandal, not the child. The child is accepted and treated as their station dictates (a child born of a noble and commoner union, for example, can be either noble or common, depending on the parents decisions/contracts) by Atharia’s society while the parents get the backlash. They are actively making the choice to have the child.
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There are so many questions.
If everyone in the game world is infertile, then what other changes are there? Do people menstruate? How common is sex, and how common is sexual impotence? Do people in this world where only fruit can make babies have a biological urge to have sex? Does the fruit, in addition to making your eggs drop and your wigglies wiggle, act as an aphrodisiac? Are people even sexually dimorphic when not under the effects of the fuck-fruit?
What’s society like? What are the requirements to get a fuck-fruit? Are birth rates keeping up with rates of death? Is it a culture in which medicine has advanced to the point that you don’t need to have eight kids because the first seven are probably gonna die of strep throat?
I’m not even mad, just really wanting answers.
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@GF You’re digging too deep, lol.
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I’m just happy to now have the term ‘fuck-fruit’
