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    • saoS
      sao
      last edited by

      Ok but fuck the police

      let it be a challenge to you

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      • PavelP
        Pavel @sao
        last edited by

        @sao said in Mod Voice:

        Ok but fuck the police

        Yes, obviously, but it works for the metaphor.

        He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
        BE AN ADULT

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        • NarsonN
          Narson @sao
          last edited by

          @sao But, every little thing they do is magic…

          When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.

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          • KarmaBumK
            KarmaBum @Pavel
            last edited by

            @Pavel said in Mod Voice:

            Yes. There’s a difference between me telling you to go fuck yourself and mod-me telling you that this line of conversation is against the rules (as a terrible example).

            Right, but if you’re not capable of showing that differentiation without needing to logout and log back in…

            IDK. It also feels very reactionary.

            The problem isn’t that a person in particular put on their MOD VOICE and handled something. It’s the PERSON IN PARTICULAR that put on their mod voice.

            I can tell when you’re telling me to fuck myself as a joke, because you would never tell me to fuck myself as a mod.

            I can tell when you’re making wisecracks about Roe v Wade as a joke, because you would never make wisecracks about Roe v Wade as a mod (or a decent human being in general).

            I don’t mind MOD VOICE or whatever you need to do to make it feel more official, but having a separate account is just going to add unnecessary steps to address what is ultimately a non-existent problem (assuming you hire the right people and not Derp).

            IMO.

            On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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            • MisterBoringM
              MisterBoring
              last edited by

              I do like the idea of mods / admins having some way of absolutely identifying they are acting in that role. Be it separate accounts, or even just a specific formatting option locked to admins.

              Perhaps admin voice can go in a code block?
              

              Proud Member of the Pro-Mummy Alliance

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              • hellfrogH
                hellfrog @KarmaBum
                last edited by

                @KarmaBum I feel this, and I get this, but I can also see another side? Not everyone who posts here is going to have the same level of comfort with each mod. I think having clear ways to differentiate (and yes, be able to block as posters) between mod input and poster input would be a net positive for inclusion.

                fr fr
                (she/her)

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                • PavelP
                  Pavel @KarmaBum
                  last edited by

                  @KarmaBum I quite agree. I err on the side of the text distinction. Conversations are gonna get heated, especially in the Rough and Rowdy section. That’s to be expected. And we need a quick and easy way to differentiate between a mod mucking in with the crew and them laying down the law.

                  At least in my view.

                  @hellfrog said in Mod Voice:

                  yes, be able to block as posters

                  As far as I’m aware, if you want us to still have the label next to our regular names along-side having a mod account, we’d still be set admin/mod and would still be unblockable. I don’t know of any work around for this.

                  He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                  BE AN ADULT

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                  • TezT
                    Tez Administrators @Pavel
                    last edited by

                    @Pavel said in Mod Voice:

                    As far as I’m aware, if you want us to still have the label next to our regular names along-side having a mod account, we’d still be set admin/mod and would still be unblockable. I don’t know of any work around for this.

                    Potential workaround: making a group just for labeling that has none of the permissions and put the actual powers elsewhere, namely in another account.

                    Honestly, if you have a mod that people feel the need to block, there’s a problem SOMEWHERE that should probably be addressed first.

                    On that subject, we ARE working on something along those lines: ways to appeal decisions, etc. etc., so that if there is a problem you will have ways (MULTIPLE ONES) to say so.

                    she/they

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                    • farfallaF
                      farfalla
                      last edited by

                      I’m just upvoting every argument even the ones that contradict each other at this point. So many good points. Good luck making a decision!

                      as previously stated, good day.

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                      • KarmaBumK
                        KarmaBum @hellfrog
                        last edited by KarmaBum

                        @hellfrog said in Mod Voice:

                        Not everyone who posts here is going to have the same level of comfort with each mod.

                        Right, which is why it’s a good thing that the mods we have are reasonable, sane humans.

                        It feels like a separate account is just a way to mask problematic behavior. If @tsar can’t treat me with respect on her normal account, changing over to her mod account doesn’t make her a different person.

                        But I also don’t have much more opinion on this.

                        If you guys as admin think you want second accounts? Go for it. If one of you turns out to be such a prick that I’d want to block your regular account? I will bounce, regardless of your second account status. 🙂

                        If second accounts make the mods happy, knock yourselves out. Just please keep it transparent somehow.

                        On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                        • TezT
                          Tez Administrators @farfalla
                          last edited by

                          @farfalla said in Mod Voice:

                          I’m just upvoting every argument even the ones that contradict each other at this point. So many good points. Good luck making a decision!

                          I’m just upvoting every post because I appreciate the feedback.

                          We can try one thing, and if it doesn’t work, try another. But hearing what people like (OR HATE) is a good place to start, even knowing we can’t make everyone happy.

                          she/they

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                          • PavelP
                            Pavel @KarmaBum
                            last edited by

                            @KarmaBum said in Mod Voice:

                            Right, which is why it’s a good thing that the mods we have are reasonable, sane humans.

                            have you met me

                            He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                            BE AN ADULT

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                            • NarsonN
                              Narson @Narson
                              last edited by

                              @Narson said in Mod Voice:

                              @Tez Personally I’d go for option 2, but instead just have it be this:

                              Blah blah this is me, Tez, talking normally. As me, Tez.

                              ADMIN: This is me, Tez, talking as an admin. Stop that, you marsupial gits.

                              Mod voice feels too much like mom voice and a more…talking down? That talking to? Not sure why.

                              I’ve actually been persuaded in the virtue of having a single log in admin account. Though, with the caveats Rathykins noted, around identifying who is doing the acting when acting with them.

                              (Or even comboing it to factor in Pavel’s concerns. So admin can issue warnings via ADMIN: or Mod Voice: or whatever from their main account and then have actions on the single log in, maybe. Though that loses the blocking benefit).

                              It is possible to think someone can be an OK admin and just not want to listen to them.

                              When someone shows you who they are, over and over again? Believe them.

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                              • farfallaF
                                farfalla @Narson
                                last edited by

                                @Narson I agree, blocking was a big factor in my leaning toward single account, but @Pavel pointed out this wouldn’t work that easily because they’d all have to be removed as admins. Which doesn’t seem that practical.

                                as previously stated, good day.

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                                • PavelP
                                  Pavel
                                  last edited by

                                  Honestly, if it gets to the point where you’d rather block an admin/mod than just (with your brains, rather than code) ignore them, that’s a bigger problem.

                                  He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                  BE AN ADULT

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                                  • farfallaF
                                    farfalla @Pavel
                                    last edited by

                                    @Pavel Sometimes someone just bothers you though, you know? I have a couple people I blocked not because they’re bad people but because they just irritate me and it’s better for my blood pressure to not see it.

                                    as previously stated, good day.

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                                    • TezT
                                      Tez Administrators @farfalla
                                      last edited by

                                      @farfalla I’ll look into it. No promises, and not a lot of high hopes, but I will AT LEAST put the effort of two googles into it.

                                      she/they

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                                      • KarmaBumK
                                        KarmaBum @farfalla
                                        last edited by

                                        @farfalla said in Mod Voice:

                                        they just irritate me

                                        One of the things that makes me sad is that I lost my carefully cultivated IGNORE list from MSB. 😞

                                        On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                                        • PavelP
                                          Pavel
                                          last edited by

                                          Honestly, I think it’s a bit weird that admin accounts can block people. How can you admin if you can’t see half the shit you’re supposed to be dealing with?

                                          He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                          BE AN ADULT

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                                          • bear_necessitiesB
                                            bear_necessities
                                            last edited by

                                            Now that I’ve taken a step back I realize I was probably being reactionary when I agreed to a separate mod account and it’s not necessary. I don’t even think there’ll be a necessity for a lot of “moderation”, at least I hope not. You guys can probably just get away with a highlight, but if conversations are getting so out of control that a mod needs to step in? I assume the thread can just get locked, and a separate post can be added with the explanation.

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