Deals with very heavy physical health issues, please avoid is such topics are triggering for you.

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I’m not playing it, for a mix of reasons, but mostly because poor hand/eye coordination, pain, and focus/fatigue/energy issues.

But it looks cool af, and I would LOVE to see others playing it. So. If any of y’all are game streamers who like folks asking silly questions about shit while you’re off adventuring, I’d be down to tag along from time to time!

@Buttercup

Take the discount. Enjoy the bagels. Life is short and precious, and if you get to pay a few less dimes for a few years extra? You’ve more than earned the discounts in other ways. Rock the white beard and pay no attention to the rest of it.

@Snackness

I’ve never been so grateful for cosmic timing in my life. So glad my one night offline for like, a month now, came just in time to manage to miss that undesired blast from a long ago past.

@L-B-Heuschkel
For large asynch scenes, I’ve found really great luck with 6-8 people in them if it has a GM or ST involved. I use the layout of 1-2 GM poses per day, every 12 or 24 hours. In between each GM pose, every other player is allowed 1-2 poses in any order they want to do so in between. People know to check in either once or twice a day as pre-agreed and no one has to wait to post for ‘their turns’ and can do it at their own conveniences in between each story move forward via scene runner.

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

For me… I actually don’t care. I love a slow asynch with a pose every three days as people have time. I love a snappy live that kills a few hours and is fun and done. I think all kinds of scenes and styles have their benefits and their detriments, and I’m happy to collaborate into the styles that work best. My only peeve is when folks aren’t honest about what’s going on or why.

Of course… There are also then the moments when it all goes off the rails and you spend 4 days with broken internet angry that it’s not your pose in like, twelve scenes and they’re typing at everyone under the sun EXCEPT YOU only to come to a month later to realize your internet was not functioning and it was your pose all along in each of them and you’ve been passive aggressive snarking your friends for a week with broken internet while they’re waiting on you to get your shit together… And after a month, you do, but forgot what was happening prior and oh, hell.

It’s been a year, y’all. 2024 is holding 2012’s beer and I’m scared. If I owe you poses, poke me. If I’ve been a dumbass and owe you apologies, poke me. If we’re all just having a bad time and need hugs and support and understanding, poke me.

@Roz The where, at least to me, is mostly irrelevevant. I’m not at all invested into where forum-wise the thread is moved. Staying in this particular forum and just forked to CoG - Mental Manipulation/OOC Behaviors, or something else along those lines would be totally cool by me. I’d just like to be able to know which headspace to be aware of and ready for prior to reading new additions if that’s something that would be ok. If it’s not ok, I’ll find other ways to manage the issues that are less impactful on the words and choices of others instead.

@Roz said in City of Glass - Discussion:

Rough and Rowdy isn’t for sensitive topics, it’s for a rougher approach to topics.

It is a sensitive topic. A change of venue isn’t because people are saying mean things. But some of us who have experienced these kinds of manipulations enough to have significant trauma that can be incredibly triggering when you don’t know if you’re about to read about gas-lighting as opposed to Demons/Changeling/CoD theme things is triggering af - at least to me.

I’m finding myself having to weigh the risks of missing out about theme and lore info that as a new player to the setting is invaluable or instead risking PTSD reactions and trauma responses to something that is not at all CoG specific, even if this particular instance of it happened on this specific game.

And I’m well aware that my trauma responses and emotional reactions are mine and mine alone to responsibly manage. I can turn off notifications to this thread and stop reading the parts both useful and the ones terrible if the community over-all disagrees with my opinions and think that the topic absolutely belongs in the discussion thread instead. I’m just saying…

To me specifically, the subject matter absolutely makes both of these things being in the SAME threads inaccessible to continue reading through on a regular and unprepared basis. If that’s NOT an experience unique to me (and it may very well be unique to me) it just seemed to be at least worth mentioning/asking as a way to keep City of Glass discourse available for participation in ways that are not emotionally and mentally detrimental in what I’m assuming are not intended to be either.

@Tez

As someone with a bad habit for giving people a lot more trust and leeway than is safe due to a defaulting of trying to assume the best intentions in people even when internet people specifically have patterns of NOT having best intentions…

How much labor and trouble would it be to move the topic of gaslighting, IC/OOC creeping from mind-reading/thought manipulation, etc to a rough and rowdy thread dedicated just to that?

I feel like there is a lot of really important discourse and behavioral patterns to unpack here in regards to over-all MUSHing community safety, but dropping back into that topic regularly while thinking it’s going to be an overall review of CoG/CoD mechanics/setting/lore is starting to hit me from unexpected directions when it turns out to be posts instead about manipulative patterns of players unrelated to the actual game and its reviews. Would that be a fork that could be moved without too much trouble/work involved?

Ok, so… This topic seems to be getting super weird and maybe a little more personal than it might need to be? I agree entirely with the staff rulings that everyone and all the characters absolutely need to be, look, and act like adults. I could not agree with that any harder.

But also… Particularly with Jennkryst having talked about being the character build that wound up making sure those rules were clarified… Even if that was just a generic statement about what absolutely would and could be an issue from some players were those clarifications not added… It’s hard to tell contextually if that’s actually accusing HER CG concepts and plans to be looking for underage vulnerability forced upon them. And that unspecified allusion just makes me super uncomfortable and feels very gross. I don’t have a long history with her, nor know her well, but I’ve never gotten that kind of vibe from her ever before.

@Pavel said in City of Glass - Discussion:

@Jenn said in City of Glass - Discussion:

Was it me? I feel like a half-dozen of those wound up being me…

We’re going to finish this omelette if it fucking kills me.

ROFLMAO! OOOOOOOF! Yeah. That was definitely mostly on me! But it’s SUCH a fun scene! Totally worth the waits, I hope. :lolsob:

@MisterBoring

THIS! I was reminded this summer of how annoying younger characters are when their lacks of life experiences and therapy makes them do the dumbest things with the mistaken beliefs that they are immortal and the lacks of impulse control not to just do every ridiculous thing that pops into their minds. My twenty-two year old hot mess disaster reminded me why I /never/ app in anything/anyone under 30 if at all possible for themes and settings.

@Pavel Was it me? I feel like a half-dozen of those wound up being me…

Also. If it WAS me and I somehow missed getting back to it once the RL trying to eat me abated a touch, please throw me a few pokes. Trying to catch up as best as I can, but I know my brain. If something got lost in a swiss cheese memory hole, it’s all me and I don’t mean to have dropped things that weren’t picked back up again when they could be!

@spiriferida

I’m still gonna respectfully disagree. I don’t know Spider. I don’t think I’ve ever encountered Spider. But if that was ever to change… I would hope like hell anyone who has would warn me about it.

That doesn’t mean that Spider may not have changed. People can change, and a lot of them do so drastically. If Spider has changed, though, it’s probably only after a lot of work to self-improve and course correct. If it’s a change that actually is drastic enough to really count, part of that will include trying to atone and make amends. A change at that level usually comes with an understanding that a bad reputation and a lot of hurt and pain caused to others is still and always will be attached. A changed person knows that only time and actions will prove that change at all, and will be understanding that until then, wariness is a safety concern, and would be willing to put that kind of effort in.

If there isn’t a change… It only makes those warnings MORE important. If there is someone who once was an abuser talking to anyone at all, friends, enemies, strangers… I don’t care what kind of relationship. They still deserve the warnings to pay attention and to make good choices for themselves. We don’t owe abusers the chance to prove themselves changed or still-abusive ahead of time. It’s never a good idea to let them go running around sans warnings.

They don’t have to be pre-judged. People can give them as many new chances as they do or don’t wish to provide. But they shouldn’t have to give those chances unknowingly just to be blind-sided down the road with nothing better to be done about it after than regret not having said something earlier when there was the chance.

@Pavel said in How dangerous is VASpider?:

Who cares what we have to say? Let the normal person doing real-world things form their own opinion.

Nah. This isn’t it. If there is a predator known for hurting people in the real-world, and you know someone that predator is invested into as a potential next target… You don’t just stand back and possibly wait for someone just to be abused about it. They absolutely deserve to know the histories and the risks that are associated as fore-warned. We break toxic cycles any time and every time we can.

@insomniac

I met a new gamer on a new game a few weeks ago. And they asked through the grapevine about my reputation… The answer they got was:

Kind.
SUPER AuDHD!

I’ve never felt more seen by a stranger in my life.

@Cobalt

Bodies are SO terrible, and I’m really well and truly over the defective meat-suit my electrified jello got assigned as its transportation mech. Absolutely on team yeet it all into the sun and just give us brains in jars with alexa and screens and think to text uploads already!

Also. I’m sorry that we’re all in this horror-show of dystopian lacks of basic existence level needs due to faults we were just assigned long before we had any concepts of what existence meant, much less what it SHOULD be. But If I have to be a (rarely) walking dumpster fire, I’m glad to at least share the glow with you over the smell of inedible s’mores. So much love and compassion to you, my friend. I absolutely see your struggles, and share the disgust and contempt for those making your life and existence harder instead of better.

@Kay If Gwen is looking for friends and hooks at City of Glass, Cassandra is HUGE on both books and coffee! Feel free to hit me up if interested.