@Prototart said in MU Peeves Thread:

@catzilla said in MU Peeves Thread:

@allthecookies said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Coin

It hurt my brain to see the whole thing go down.

Story time?

If it’s what I think it’s about, here is my measured and fair synopsis:

Guy: “I hate everything about the setting I’m connected to, and I refuse to do anything proactive about it. I remain a fully blank slate and it’s everybody else’s problem, and also fault.”
Staffer: “jesus christ you can do things for yourself”
Guy: “You are not a nice person.”
Other guy: “This is akin to a police shooting.”

Except it went on for twenty minutes.

this isn’t very MUSHmaxxing of him.

I would say that it’s less about the allegations of antisemitism in general and more about allegations that turn out to be untrue. A lot of (very abusive, shitty) people can point to allegations proven false as evidence of no wrong-doing in the future, which can create a more dangerous space – this was my argument against Wikibara’s inclusion of the link between their application being denied and antisemitism in their original post.

When I worked in in-patient court-mandated substance abuse recovery, there was a white supremacist guy who told me tales about how he would get fabrications of abuse, which could easily be proven false to create a protective shell. “I don’t abuse my partner, she said I abused her and everyone found out it was bullshit”, which then gave him free rein to kind of abuse whomever. After all, people are lying to discredit his character. I stopped being interested in correctional psych after that, if I’m being honest. Moral injury and all.

According to my (very uninformed, very amateur) research, this is apparently called a “silver bullet” in the legal field.

Koji Suzuki, a fabulously influential Japanese author. If you’ve watched any of the jhorror movies from the 2000s and 2010s, you are likely familiar with his work.

@MisterBoring said in Long or Short? Application Process!:

@Babs said in Long or Short? Application Process!:

Chances are no one will notice.

This is the exact phrase that lead my best friend to copy pasta a chili recipe into his US History final essay and still somehow get a B on the assignment.

To be fair: the inverse - copying and pasting a us history essay into a chili recipe - would match most online chili recipes.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pjzRJstARnE

I tend to write a lot as a general rule, since I (like @MisterBoring) am one of those “write till I’m done” types, so my most recent apps are enormous because I’ve been really interested in the character’s until-now development. That’s just me, though, and it could easily just be a short story I write for myself without forcing anyone to read.

Anyway, that said, I think the app process should be similar to a mullet: short in the front, long in the back. Shorter app to get in and involved, with the idea that the character’s background info is a kind of living document, to a point, that can be fleshed out by making connections and associations either with other players or with ongoing plots.

@Jennkryst said in Numetal/Retromux:

Then there’s my dumb ass, logging into the 16 year old account on Shadowrun Denver to see about unlocking Otaku after a decade-old bit of fuckery.

To be fair, Jenn, I feel like the act of asking about unplayable/disallowed character types is kind of your version of MUSHing.

edit: this wasn’t intended to be mean, by the way

@catzilla said in Numetal/Retromux:

I have seen you banned from at least a couple games now.

@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:

“Couple” games is two

so,

@catzilla said in Numetal/Retromux:

Maybe you should look inward to change the behavior that keeps leading to this result

@Wikibara said in Numetal/Retromux:

because there’s otherwise no cause for any person to receive antisemetic messages, ever.

This is an intentionally misleading and straight up harmful tack to take. Real antisemitic and racist rhetoric happens in spaces that causes people to be unsafe. Conflating what may actually be coincidental as an accusation creates a smokescreen that can cause significant harm to marginalized people.

I am not being “an apologist” if I prefer that you do not suggest that you received antisemitic hate messages from a group of people with limited authority without any real proof of it outside of, what, coincidence?

Using another example, if I alleged that a staff member was homophobic against me in the same breath that I was talking about having my application denied because I happened to get a random homophobic message – which does happen – how does that do more than just create further confusion and reduce any other LGBT person’s sense of safety in that space?

I understand wanting to complain about your app, that’s whatever you want it to be. If I were dick riding about saying that their app process was 100% fair or whatever, I could understand saying that I’m “an apologist” and would completely agree, honestly. It’s the accusation of abusive wrong-doing with real world harm and consequences that deserves to have some modicum of proof that does it for me.

Apparently nothing is coincidental, so the reason he didn’t move on with his day is because through some chain of logic the staff are out to get him so much that he felt the need to warn everyone about their secret racist harassment police

Damn bro, you should have gone with this for your fuckin mage app

I guess that makes sense. Everything, literally everything, is causal after all.

Personally, I can’t believe I’m getting these staff members sending me really raunchy porn on Discord from unaffiliated accounts after checking out the websites of those Age of Heroes games.

Polk notoriously crashed the game though

@Snackness said in What's up with the two Age of Heroes games?:

They should both change their names to the same thing at the same time.

MUSH equivalent of trying to wave someone through at a stop sign

honestly not judging this idea you have, @Pyrephox, but it reminds me of this meme:

@NotSanni said in Tales of Zalanthas:

I don’t have any coding experience, but they’re trying to recreate a diku derivative, simulation (and combat specifically) heavy game, so that may have something to do with it. It’s likely going to be a pretty crunchy game, as RP games go, with a focus on combat and mechanical capabilities vs storytelling (no matter what they say). Probably not enough to explain this exact margin, but it can probably explain a bit of it.

They also point out that it includes “2200 test cases” which, as well as being a weird thing to have in your ad copy, could also lend itself to a decent amount of code bloat. That’d be like me including all of the data entry in PyReach as “code I’ve written” when it’s just hundreds of lines of merits because White Wolf/Onyx Path is ceaselessly wordy. Like it is technically correct, but also just something that’s kind of required for what I’m doing? I would assume the same of trying to emulate an automation-heavy DIKU MUD. Idk. I usually delete test cases once things come out successfully and relatively bug free, so could also just be doing that incorrectly.

@Clarion said in Tales of Zalanthas:

NO SEX ALLOWED IN THE DESERT.

@Pavel / @Gashlycrumb
‘The Michael Jordan of Drunk Driving’ by AJJ

The Michael Jordan of drunk driving played his final game tonight.
Emburdened[sic] by his loneliness,
he wanted to feel alive;
His laziness built the pyramids
and his solitude was a knife.
The Michael Jordan of drunk driving played his final game tonight.

The issue is one of power parity and stat comparison in most cases. Werewolf would not have a pvp problem most of the time without Vampire or Mage. Vampire would not have a PVP problem if people stopped playing Vampire. Mage would not have a PVP problem without Vampires and Werewolves. We need to stop making big multi-sphere games.

Someone once told me (paraphrased) that the primary difference between maintaining OOC respect for your fellow players after a PVP/tense situation at a LARP and maintaining OOC respect and kindness towards your fellow MUSHers in the same situation is that MUSHers are not obligated to sit in a booth with each other at IHOP at 2am after we’ve finished our scenes.

Anonymity can be a real motivator in being a serious asshole towards others – which is interesting, because I’m fairly certain we’ve all known each other (or of each other) for the better part of a decade (which is perhaps also what leads to PVP situations).

That said, PVP is a difficult one. On one hand, if you explicitly prohibit PVP in a WoD environment, it takes some of the bite out of inter-sphere relations. On the other hand, allowing for a no-holds-barred environment will make the game – from examples I’ve seen – into a tedious free-for-all. I’m not sure if it’s just my perception based on the people I talk to, but I feel like interest in PVP has dropped off in the last little while.

@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:

I fear that the all-too-common assertion of this or that genre being particularly problematic abnegates the true bearers of responsibility: the players and staff playing those games. We can talk ad nauseam about systems and lore and thematic appropriateness, but that’s basically irrelevant—we’ve been having those conversations for the better part of two or three decades at this point.

I don’t disagree here, as there are many normal (or whatever) people playing and staffing on WoD games. I think the problem is a precursor to what we have now. Long ago no one curbed the behavior. Then we all put up with the behavior to our own detriment. Now it seems that the true WoDheads left are either very traumatized by said poor behavior and therefore trust no one, or are the perpetrators of said behavior. Then there’s are the people who are new to WoD on a MUSH and are deeply confused about this dichotomy.

But as you said,

Poor behaviour is only acceptable because people in positions of authority continue to accept it. Couching the problem as “this genre has its issues” is lazy and reductive and passes the buck from staff enforcement of behavioural standards to some ineffable ‘theme’ problem.

And while that is true, there are certain elements that may attract a certain kind of player to WoD over Star Wars. But it comes back to the historical “that’s how it’s always been” approach. If you see someone playing a Black Spiral Dancer, you have a short hand association of the kind of player they most likely are. It may not be accurate, but we’ve played with enough of them and have enough general understanding of the theme to know what RP they’re going for.

But hell, that’s probably incorrect now that I write that out given that the player who was banned from RetroMUX for violating the policy around erotic RP as a minor enacted this RP on a star wars game.