Liberation Drama!?
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@Wyrmsign Likely he finally upset the wrong subset of people.
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@Wyrmsign Likely he finally upset the wrong subset of people.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be a single event. It can be the culmination of many smaller incidents over time. It happens that way more often than we probably think it does.
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@Wyrmsign Yeah, but not any more so than any of the other kewl kids. I supposed it had to be something spectacular. But maybe it’s more likely he just got his Kewl Kid card revoked and has been subjected to a standard.
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Aw man, I already microwaved my popcorn.
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Ah, yes, another active player who was running things for others removed.
AddisonPlayer could be annoying. We butted heads on a few things, a few times. But he did a lot for the game, and a lot for other people.
The writing for this one was on the wall. I hope Siren and co enjoy the empty shell of the game they stole from Sundance and are busily driving into the ground.
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AddisonPlayer could be annoying. We butted heads on a few things, a few times. But he did a lot for the game, and a lot for other people.
Would you say your experience with AddisonPlayer is uniform to everyone that interacted with AddisonPlayer?
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I wouldn’t say that, at the point when Siren & co. took over for Sundance*, they would be able to “drive the game into the ground.” If Liberation were an airplane, then it’s been taxiing to the terminal for at least two years now, if not more.
* who is on a hiatus that she, herself, has mentioned more than a couple times -
Crazy the amount of validation I feel reading recent sentiments and secondhand stories about that place. Wish I could bottle and sell it. Also wild to see folks feeling like someone has found out how to do a worse job than the previous wiz.
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Ah, yes, another active player who was running things for others removed.
AddisonPlayer could be annoying. We butted heads on a few things, a few times. But he did a lot for the game, and a lot for other people.
I mean, idk the specifics of this game and this player, but. That is the story for plenty of banned folks who definitely deserved banning. I really don’t think “they do a lot for the game” should be a variable in this sort of equation at all; it implies that a certain level of wrong-doing can just be made up for if you’re active and productive enough. That’s how you end up with the classic “coder we ‘can’t’ get rid of.”
And “players show different faces to different people” ought to go without saying.
The game may still be a trashfire being run into the ground or whatnot! I don’t know. But whenever people react to a ban with “but they do a lot for the game” or “they weren’t that bad to me” it makes me sigh a bit.
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Yeah, I didn’t say it was a good standard.
My mental translation of the bbpost is: Addison bitched about the game, criticised the current gamerunners. (I know this to be true.) He bitched to somebody who, instead of telling him that they didn’t want to hear it, squealed to staff (presumably in the hopes of getting the brownie points). Offended, they banned him and made this post implying that it was to protect players.
Also wild to see folks feeling like someone has found out how to do a worse job than the previous wiz.
It really is impressive.
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@MisterBoring I would say on my personal experience that mine vastly differs from @evilgrayson. On more than one character I have had him tell me how to play, go on rants on channel about how something was wrong only to be corrected with facts including references that backed them up, only for him to continue the argument and change the avenue of attack to something that is utterly his personal point of view. Is this high on the list of grievous sins one can commit on its own? No. But being that he’s been doing it since the game was in Beta, I can see a tally getting rather large to a point where staff just feels this isn’t the game for someone.
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@Wyrmsign But I can think of seven, no, eight others who do/have done the very same and have remained treasured and protected. Right down to players getting yelled at for typing things like, “p staffer=Hey, Special Guy is yelling obscenities at me and won’t stop, please help.”
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@Gashlycrumb I have no control over who they choose to ban or not. I had bad experiences with the named player, I shared them.
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Addison writes beautifully, is deeply intelligent and was a huge part of Liberation for a long time. He knows a massive amount about game theme and has very strong opinions on how things should go. He is a passionate and talented role player.
He also pages people too often ooc, complains too much ooc, can be bossy and controlling ooc towards other players.
Staff probably didn’t enjoy banning him and I don’t envy their position.
While Addison had a lot to offer, he didn’t always know when to back down and chill.
I’m not familiar with the details and events leading up his banning, so my insight is limited. That being said as much as I admire Addison’s writing and passion for the game, I can absolutely believe he crossed a line and deserved the ban.
I feel bad for staff being in this position and despite very much believing he truly earned the ban, I feel a little bad for Addison. The game meant a lot to him. He isn’t a bad person imo. That being said sometimes for good of the community hard choices need to be made and sometimes someone is a bad fit for a community or needs a break from mushing,
I hope he is doing well and finds other outlets for his creative talents.
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@voiceinthevoid I feel bad for him too. And I think his complaints deserved to be addressed, not just used against him. But I can see why some, or even a lot, of people, might have had a really crappy time with him.
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I think this is one of those cases where a person’s inability to communicate in a healthy fashion has shot them in the foot.
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I believe it was implied above that someone used Addison’s ooc complaints against him rather than listening to him.
I don’t know who complained or the contents of their complaint so I really can’t be sure what happened.
There are a few things I do know though.
Siren is well intentioned, intelligent and has good social understanding. I don’t believe she would ban anyone without a good reason. In addition I don’t think she enjoys giving out punishments and I don’t believe she wanted to ban him. I am not her ooc friend just a player who has witnessed her consistently acting right.
It is of course still possible she made an error in judgement, but I don’t think that is the most likely scenario.
I know that Addison is extremely intelligent, creative, energetic, well educated and forgiving.
I am not really his friend either.
Addison in my understanding has a history of jumping into ooc page conversations pretty quickly. In these conversations he has been known to give a generous amount of unsolicited advice and information on game them. He doesn’t take hints well imo and I don’t think always realized when it was time to stop.
People who are used to Addison often shrug it off and people who know him better will sometimes say he is well intentioned and just trying to help.
A good deal of his complaints are valid imo, but they are not all valid. In addition the theme of WOD is complex and nuanced. It changes from book to book. There isn’t always one definitive answer when it comes to theme and not everyone always agreed with Addison.
Liberation has changed the theme with house interpretations and for the better, but that only further complicates theme.
Not everyone plays the game with the same intensity. Some people are part time occasional players chilling for a few hours after work and spending that time in paged tense ooc conversations may not be ideal.
I think the most probable explanation is that Addison paged some players with complaints, didn’t pick up on the social cues to back off and then argued with staff when approached.
I don’t think anyone complained in malice. If I see receipts that show otherwise I might change my mind.
Sometimes a ban is from a back breaking straw and not the whole haystack.
As to comment about people should Listen to his complaints, I would argue nobody is obligated to listen to ooc paged complaining and the decision to go staff for help is a fair choice if one feels things are crossing the line.
Unless you come with receipts, I’m not buying the nefarious complaining to staff angle.
That being said Addison is a wonderful role player. If he is given a second chance or finds another mush I will be happy for him.
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A few years ago, when the game was still fairly fresh, a friend and I made characters in the werewolf sphere who were childhood friends and had a shared history.
Shortly after we entered the game, Addison took an interest in my friend’s character, and decidedly not in mine. I don’t think there was any sexual element to it at all, but he very much decided to involve my friend’s character heavily in his RP while decidedly not involving me.
Which is fine. People are allowed to do that.
What I will say, from sitting on the outside, is that it became very clear that Addison’s player could be fucking exhausting when his attention was turned on you, and he did not seem to pick up on hints that it was getting to be too much. So I can absolutely see how this has come about, even if he doesn’t realise he’s doing it and is well-intentioned.
At least partially as a result of his behaviour, my friend very quickly lost interest in the game. The attention was never creepy or sexual, but it was constant, intense and ultimately exhausting.
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When I first tried player werewolf on lib way back before they even did the Sept Siege, I tried making a Uktena kinfolk. Met a few cool players but during the first tribe meeting I attended, addison ranted and raved so much about how his cliath ragabash self should be master of rites over a glasswalker adren lupus theurge because that walker happened to be a cyber dog. Now a little cross tribe tension is fine and dandy, but this scene was excessive and he wasn’t listening to anybody else but rather talking at everybody. It made me nope out of playing my kinfolk because if I wanted that level of pc on pc drama, I could just play vampire. Eventually I did end up playing a garou later, but my experience with addison was always more he’d talk at people, ICly and OOCly, than ever having a real conversation.
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