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Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@GF But you told me my perspective was useless, and that I had no control! I gave you control to dictate how I proceed, and now I’m at fault again. Then accuse me of a false claim that implies I’m the one being a sex pest and harassing people. Do you have any evidence to substantiate the claim that I do any of that, or is it just your opinion? I feel victimized by a bully who is saying things that just aren’t true.
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eta: ew don’t upvote me, eddie. this is about you.
this is the loop we’re stuck in forever, because you. you just forever turning about ‘what about YoU proving this?’ when asked to provide anything of your own. it’s boring. it’s infinite. this is about you.
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@eddie Pretending to be too stupid to understand the conversation is also a very old and predictable tactic.
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@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
your victims need to see people pushing back against your grade school attempts at manipulation, so they know we believe them and not you.
This part. I believe the people who’ve come forward and spoken about their awful experiences. I’m sorry you’ve had to do that. I know it was hard speaking out. Thank you. I believe you.
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@Roz to come across as kind of immature and cringey rather than gotcha?
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@mietze said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Roz to come across as kind of immature and cringey rather than gotcha?
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@GF So is not providing proof that anything happened.
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Well in any case. At least there’s no garbage memes…yet.
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@eddie Let’s start with this. Tell us your experience with AOA. Who do you play, how have you interacted with Hadrix and Cujo.
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Testimony is evidence. The only reason you don’t take it as proof is a) you find the witness incredible or b) there’s no such thing as proof on an internet forum, see argument cited supra.
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@Meg said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@eddie Let’s start with this. Tell us your experience with AOA. Who do you play, how have you interacted with Hadrix and Cujo.
I can’t wait to watch this get ignored in favor of more conversation on the art of debate or whatever the fuck.
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@helvetica I’m still waiting on his proof that everyone who’s accused him and his buddies of being creeps has committed perjury in the court of law that this fucking internet forum apparently is.
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@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@helvetica I’m still waiting on his proof that everyone who’s accused him and his buddies of being creeps has committed perjury in the court of law that this fucking internet forum apparently is.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
HELLLOOOOO… Hellllloooooo… hellloooo.
Ah, what I thought, an echo chamber.
Such important, new views brought to the discourse!
One wonders if Soapbox is so dull now that you can’t argue with the wimmenz, that people might start coming over here to stir up shit.
But that is for a different board, and we are very off topic.
@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF So is not providing proof that anything happened.
Since you were all lawyer-y earlier, testimony of what happened is proof. We have a ‘he said/she said’ situation. Except we have ‘multiple she’s have come on to say what happened/he has not come in to offer counter testimony.’
You know what happens if you get a speeding ticket, show up to court, you tell the court that you were not speeding, and the cop is not there to say that you were? Ticket gets dismissed.
Buy instead of coming in to offer counter testimony, you show up with ‘bitches be lying’. So we don’t even need to progress to logs.
eta: @sao beat me to the evidence bit while I wasn’t looking, whee!
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Personally I would like proof that accusations on a MU forum have had deleterious affects to any of the accused. And I don’t mean not being able to play a MU any more. Evidence of harm please.
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@Meg Why would I out myself to a group of people who would like to target and victimize me? Well, hold that thought! Thank you for engaging with me, and I think that is a very constructive question, genuinely.
Truth of the matter is I am the victim of a number of different instances of manipulation and sexual misconduct. Not just on that game, but a number of other venues. Was it by the alleged you named? No. There are other players though who do.
I was mislead into believing that my rp would equate to something of a strong story between one character and my own, for instance, and devoted a lot of time and effort into the development of that narrative. That included in-game currency, assets you have to travel around, find and buy, and modifications to make those assets function more efficiently when they are used.
I invested those things into the person I was playing opposite of only to have them pit me against another player to compete for their attention. Not just the intimate rp, but story we had spent hours developing and writing out. It all got thrown away in an instant, and the assets I invested with walked away with no ROI because I refused to compete, on an OOC level, with another player for something I felt I had earned and put the time into to warrant.
I was manipulated and used, then thrown away like trash from an OOC perspective.
I had another instance where I played with another player that I made clear I do not impart aspects about myself into the intimate rp that they engage in. It is a matter of comfort for me to not allow predators to cling to things like that. Despite my best attempts at keeping this separate, this married man continued to tell me things in OOC about how these scenes and actions were intended for me OOC, and how he hoped I ‘got something from it.’
Unwanted, and unwarranted, and I felt targeted as a victim. I assume in those regards, how would I feel comfortable levying complaints to staff that I had been duped, and manipulated?
Regarding AoA, I think there’s a nuanced community within the community itself that are not all that bad. That’s not dismissing the issues that came up in this topic, but it’s more to the fact that everywhere has issues. Concerning those alleged in this topic, they were not contributors to my own experience. I certainly think there could be a quicker process to out predators much like I experienced, but the question comes in how to negotiate that, or present in a manner much like those presented in this topic. ‘Things can be doctored’, ‘images can be altered’.
So I never outed them because there was no sure way to say, this happened to me. My own experiences aren’t just based out of the aforementioned venue though, I could certainly share more. I think open commentary like this does help in a therapeutic way, airing and such.
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@Rathenhope said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Personally I would like proof that accusations on a MU forum have had deleterious affects to any of the accused. And I don’t mean not being able to play a MU any more. Evidence of harm please.
I see where you’re going here, but reputation does matter, and we have seen bad reputation translate into bad reception at places. Particularly with the big offenders, even after rebranding. Personally, I’d love to see more “deleterious effects” and pre-emptive bans.
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Thank you to everyone pushing back against this shit. I’m not up for this argument right now but I don’t gotta make it. I appreciate you guys. It’s so, so nice to see the community trend this way.
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@eddie said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Meg Why would I out myself to a group of people who would like to target and victimize me? Well, hold that thought! Thank you for engaging with me, and I think that is a very constructive question, genuinely.
How are we going to target and victimize you? None of us have any power on AOA. Indeed, the people who have posted here that did play on AOA have a distinct lack of power; that is why they posted here.
Truth of the matter is I am the victim of a number of different instances of manipulation and sexual misconduct. Not just on that game, but a number of other venues. Was it by the alleged you named? No. There are other players though who do.
I was mislead into believing that my rp would equate to something of a strong story between one character and my own, for instance, and devoted a lot of time and effort into the development of that narrative. That included in-game currency, assets you have to travel around, find and buy, and modifications to make those assets function more efficiently when they are used.
I invested those things into the person I was playing opposite of only to have them pit me against another player to compete for their attention. Not just the intimate rp, but story we had spent hours developing and writing out. It all got thrown away in an instant, and the assets I invested with walked away with no ROI because I refused to compete, on an OOC level, with another player for something I felt I had earned and put the time into to warrant.
I was manipulated and used, then thrown away like trash from an OOC perspective.
I had another instance where I played with another player that I made clear I do not impart aspects about myself into the intimate rp that they engage in. It is a matter of comfort for me to not allow predators to cling to things like that. Despite my best attempts at keeping this separate, this married man continued to tell me things in OOC about how these scenes and actions were intended for me OOC, and how he hoped I ‘got something from it.’
Unwanted, and unwarranted, and I felt targeted as a victim. I assume in those regards, how would I feel comfortable levying complaints to staff that I had been duped, and manipulated?
Regarding AoA, I think there’s a nuanced community within the community itself that are not all that bad. That’s not dismissing the issues that came up in this topic, but it’s more to the fact that everywhere has issues. Concerning those alleged in this topic, they were not contributors to my own experience. I certainly think there could be a quicker process to out predators much like I experienced, but the question comes in how to negotiate that, or present in a manner much like those presented in this topic. ‘Things can be doctored’, ‘images can be altered’.
So I never outed them because there was no sure way to say, this happened to me. My own experiences aren’t just based out of the aforementioned venue though, I could certainly share more. I think open commentary like this does help in a therapeutic way, airing and such.
So you do understand exactly what were are talking about. Yes, sexual predators/pests etc exist on the games. I am sorry someone tried to force you into OOC intimacy when you had an RP relationship. This is exactly why it’s helpful to be able to share your experiences and find others that had the same.
Because if these people are doing it to one person, they are probably doing it to multiple. And that is a certain kind of evidence in itself.
ETA: Also, my biggest takeaway from your post is that it’s not only Hadrix and Cujo, but also more people being sex pests on that game. Which wouldn’t surprise me, because when you foster that kind of community, it grows, despite the pockets of good players that try to play there and insulate themselves to varying degrees of success.
