Neitherlands

[Jenn]

@inuki

I think all of this is going into more RL speculation than is healthy to ANYONE. I’m pretty sure it’s /past/ obvious that I find this person to be one of the literally worst internet strangers I have ever encountered. But there is zero reason for internet strangers to be harassed in RL.

I think also trying to link them to other handles and talking IP’s also falls into that. I’m not sure it matters who this person was, all we can do anything with is whom they seem to be now. And who they are now SUCKS.

I find it telling that there was no defense of their choices, just a complaint that if it has been handed to authorities doesn’t even matter, because what are any of us going to do, other than not be assholes who take someone’s unfortunate choices and self-absorption to all new heights out into the real world?

Speculating what has or hasn’t happened to them via Guesties, and speculating who they used to be when they are actively being THIS? Waste of time, and just as inappropriate as the BS they have been - and continue to be - perpetuating.

[Roz]

@KarmaBum I think you can request fully removing stuff from your handle, and Faraday may or may not oblige. I know at least one instance for sure where stuff was removed.

(I have no idea what’s going on either way with these particular people, to be clear!! I can’t even keep track of the names. Just – stating in general.)

[helvetica]

@Jenn Using multiple aliases is a known strategy employed by abusers in our hobby, and this person IS an abuser in our hobby. I watched them isolate and gaslight the fuck out of you with my own eyes. I can read.

I agree with those saying there’s not really proof that these bits were piloted by the same person, but I’m not gonna shame anyone for trying to connect the dots of past handles.

ETA: And with that, I’m setting this thread to ignore to move on with my life.

[RightMeow]

I think ‘find the bad player’ is a common want of most people. They do it with good intention, but I think we have to watch how we are being perceived and what we are perceiving too.

I have been accused of being a different person or something to my OOC bias (that I don’t really have), etc. It wasn’t anything AT ME but them trying to protect out there.

It was just said that the wrong name/person got caught up in the speculation of who was or wasn’t who. I think that’s legit too. We can find ourselves down the Wonderland hole if we go looking for it.

I think in the end, we just try to be kind even to those that might not deserve it because we are better than that. We also dust off anyone knocked down and try to find them a welcoming place.

[Warma Sheen]

@Jenn said in Neitherlands:

I find it telling that there was no defense of their choices

If so, then no need to keep beating a dead horse, especially if the personal attacks only end up getting you in trouble.

Literally no one has disagreed with you. But you know what they say about heroes who live long long enough to see themselves become the villain.

Take the win.

[Vulgar Boy]

I’m great at this game! Okay, let’s vote on who we think chookitypook is, the person who gets the most votes is out of the thread and then the night cycle starts.

[Pavel]

@Vulgar-Boy This thread definitely needs a werewolf rampage.

[Adora]

@Pavel Personally I accuse you, in the conservatory, with the wireless keyboard.

[Pavel]

@Adora Man, I wish I had a conservatory.

[dvoraen]

[CUmush]

[Testament]

I forget to look on this website for almost two months and I come back to a goldmine of content to read over.

It’s times like these that I have often wondered about making a YouTube channel solely for the purposes of recording these things for posterity and then talking about it in some kind of pseudo-Keemstar fashion.

Not that I would do that. But after being involved in the commentary community for as long as I have been, it’s something I think about doing.

[renaveleigh]

@Testament

[Testament]

@renaveleigh said in Neitherlands:

@Testament

If I were to actually do it, it’d be touching into all kinds of drama within the mush community of current and years past. Covering people like DWOPP, Dropkick, Custodius, Nymeria, VASpider, The Great Spilt of MSB/BMD, and the fall of various mushes over the years.

You don’t pick sides, and everything and everyone can be a potential target. And you only do it if you have everything on hand as being factual, dotted I’s and crossed T’s. Because you don’t want to get shit wrong. That in itself is the liability of the commentary community on YouTube. There’s always that chance you’re going to make a mistake and mistakenly drag someone.

The problem with mush drama is most documentation is hearsay. Except in situations where receipts are produced. You have to be able to vet sources properly. And if you can’t do that, then don’t do it at all. This is inherently the biggest reason why I haven’t made a YouTube channel covering it.

That and really? It’s a lot of work and I don’t know if I have the patience for it.

[Jennkryst]

@Testament Yeah, the only reason I haven’t done any video essay type stuff is because at it’s core, it’s an essay, and I haaaaaate research.

Someone else collate all the data for me, and I’m in.

[shit-piss-love]

@Testament lol man i’m nowhere near the center of our little hobby community and the name Custodius rang for me. I remember that person from the early days of Castle Marrach around 2001. Can’t recall most things from that far back but he was creepy and manipulative enough to stick!

[Jenn]

So… I really thought all of this shit was just done and over with. It’s been a month, and there’s been a lot of RL happening since, and plenty of other games. Once someone decided that me trying to say that @inuki didn’t deserve to be threatened was me beating a dead horse… I closed this thread and didn’t look back.

But that’s before I woke up to three different DM’s in my Discord about Sophia, asking if I was back. Apparently, a month after being banned, and a month after having been moved to the ‘dead’ part of characters with a note that was just awful…

Sophia lives again? At least long enough to have had her password changed so that scenes set private - and only to her - could be shared game-wide. WTF? How petty can shit get? @inuki - Any ACTUAL answers this time? I kind of thought you’d sunk as low as people can, and had found the hard rock bottom for game staff. But I guess you continue to surprise me!

[Cobalt]

What the actual fuck.

[Vulgar Boy]

The place is super dead, so maybe she just figured that there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

[Tez]

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