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Bannings
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Same thing here as I said there. It just makes me tired. Although, probably a little sad too.
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I was fine being a lurker and sharing my normal stuff cuz I couldn’t ever find over here - but someone posted the link and now I have and now I will come, and today’s stuff was just the last straw.
So, can I hang with y’all now please?
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WELCOME TO THE CLIQUE.
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I’m sorry, folks. This is a lot of heartache for a lot of people, and I’d fix all of it if I could. I agree that we really should stop talking about it. Stop talking about it, stop reading it, stop engaging with it – if you’re gonna be on both places just let it go, let it be both places. Stop trying to engage with them about this, it’s not going to do anything but oil on the fire.
I do want to say not just to @RightMeow but to anyone in the peanut gallery, NOBODY here is going to be mad at you for hanging out in both arenas, okay? I hope you’re not feeling too put in the middle by things, and if you are, I’m sorry, and if anybody can do anything please let us know.
Hello and welcome.
the entity previously known as Sunny
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NGL, I’m really happy to have the name I use EVERYWHERE ELSE on the internet as my name here. I just realized I could have changed it over there too, but didn’t connect it option //I// could take so just stuck with a name I never really liked. >.>
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I do want to say not just to @RightMeow but to anyone in the peanut gallery, NOBODY here is going to be mad at you for hanging out in both arenas, okay? I hope you’re not feeling too put in the middle by things, and if you are, I’m sorry, and if anybody can do anything please let us know.
Emphasizing this for mod voice boost.
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It’s okay. I’m pretty sure I was nicely just invited to leave the board by Derp or he didn’t get I meant them.
It’s fine. Everything is fine.
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the entity previously known as Sunny
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I’m not sure I believe you but I’m not gonna poke at you any more, either. Instead:
This is my 7yo’s FAVORITE joke. It cracks me up every time.
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@junipersky said in Bannings:
I was fine being a lurker and sharing my normal stuff cuz I couldn’t ever find over here - but someone posted the link and now I have and now I will come, and today’s stuff was just the last straw.
So, can I hang with y’all now please?
there you are lol
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Alls I’m saying is, since so much attention is being given to DMs over public statements, and everyone hand-wringing about how they are scared of bullies on the interwebs, if the lurkers who are bailing could also DM and/or post public notices about voting with their feet, that would just be neat.
… especially since they so rudely won’t remove my ban so I can edit that last post I made, rabble rabble.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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I’ve never really wanted to bring that kind of attention down on myself, so I just DMed the most reasonable sounding person, erased my browser history, and hope they process the request ban.
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@junipersky Fair. I’m sure anyone who actually does something like that will get a ‘wow, can you believe Rob Bobbertson was part of the Clique, too? They hid it so well!’… just casually put into the ‘problem person’ category while they continue to willfully deny even the chance that they could be wrong.
Still, the small part of me that embraces CHAOS would love to see it happen. I desperately need someone to quote them being bullies back at them whenever a thing happens.
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I guess that thread got nuked while I was catching up, which is, frankly, just rude. Rude, I say.
In any case, I’ve got Thoughts, which I suppose is some forum version of a subtweet. They boil down to this:
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Administrators/staff/moderators are human, they have bad days, and there are definitely bad actors, but if you’re going to react to any sort of criticism, pushback, or even plain confusion/asks for clarification with kneejerk suspicion that it’s all some veiled attempt at shit-stirring or attacking you, then you should not be an admin. You especially shouldn’t be an admin on a board that has just had a major drama blow-up and mass banning/departure of a giant chunk of its userbase and is trying to rebuild cred with the community. This should go without saying, but that team is aggro as fuck.
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Moderating on the spirit of the law rather than the letter still requires that there actually be a law. Refusing to set clear boundaries because it’s inevitable that some folks are going to push those boundaries is just the wildest take I’ve seen on this topic. It also really smells like an excuse to be more arbitrary with rulings, which I don’t think is deliberate, but definitely seems present.
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Don’t ask people for their honest opinions on how to fix something and then reject it all with an accusation that the person who answered is clearly just holding a personal vendetta and therefore it’s good people aren’t taking that person seriously. Especially don’t start with some weird shit about how light self deprecation is evidence of a poster having an agenda, I don’t even know what moon logic dimension that came from.
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If you don’t want to share internal discussions on various bans, don’t keep talking about all these in depth internal discussions that were totally fair and judged with utmost neutrality but they happened we swear. Just say some version of “sorry, we discussed it and our decision stands”. People are going to call bullshit because a bunch of those bans were total bullshit, so if you aren’t budging on them (and frankly it’s entirely too late anyway) then I guess tough shit? People are going to have opinions on the bad calls that were made, and further opinions when the bad calls were upheld.
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Speaking of, if you’re going to say mistakes were made and you’re trying to do better, doubling down forever on how, actually, everything that was done was entirely justified and all the people who left or were banned were just shit stirrers who wanted to be mean all day is really contradictory. Pick one, you can’t have both. And if you pick “mistakes were made”, then you need to try to rectify those mistakes. I just said it’s too late to reverse the bans, but reverse them anyway. Folks who left aren’t likely to return, but the folks who are still there can see you actually do mean it.
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Other than serving as the main platform where the blow-up happened, it had absolutely nothing to do with the Hog Pit. This history re-write where it was all the fault of the Hog Pit and frequent posters is gross and transparently a lie. It’s okay, you can nuke the Hog Pit and make it something else, that’s not actually a big deal. You can do that independently of everything else. Focusing on the whole thing being toxic mean clique bully bitches (which anyone who goes back to read those threads can see it was not), guarantees something like it can and probably will happen again. Your house didn’t catch fire because the neighbor’s dog wouldn’t stop barking.
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Speaking to the above, some of the most toxic posters who have ever been on MSB are the ones calling the shots or are friends with those who are. That doesn’t change by piling the blame on people who are no longer around. Unfortunately, they don’t really change either. It’s going to be a problem going forward, and it’s already a problem now, because the atmosphere over there is incredibly hostile for a forum that’s patting itself on the back for ditching their flame board. If I were a new poster taking a glance at that thread, I’d have turned around and walked right back out.
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Hella is VulgarKitten and lmao
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@kalakh Honestly, these thoughts are similar to those that @tez, @Pyrephox, @tsar and I had when we were coming up with how to moderate this place.
Naturally, we who remain ain’t perfect either, and we’re gonna fuck up, but we plan to keep these thoughts in mind as we go and we’ll do a decent enough job.
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@kalakh I checked because I was worried my posts got deleted, but for the record, the thread didn’t get nuked. Derp just moved it into a thread of its own and locked it.
