Bannings
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@Testament Like I said, I picked random names and made some bullshit in paint because I was bored. It’s not that deep, man.
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i am deeply uncomfortable about all the people claiming pony status, but ykinmkbykiok i guess.
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in case you really need a graphic guide to the clique
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Is @Faraday here? The little @ thing says you are.
You are a good person.
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The ‘both sides’ that goes on that totally ignores power dynamics and actions is utterly bizzare and infuriating.
The idea that both sides don’t recognise the split is harmful? Of /course it is/. Only one side sought to exclude the other (and did so) from a position of power. It isn’t like BMD was set up by people on a jolly jape, it was made because people otherwise couldn’t engage with most of the active people in the discussion board part of the hobby.
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I love my new pony emoji.
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The idea that both sides don’t recognise the split is harmful? Of /course it is/.
See, I’m not sure it is ultimately.
The reasons behind the split, and the metaphorical violence behind the split? Absolutely harmful and I’m not going to deny it.
The split itself? We don’t know the full outcome of that, yet, but we’ve had exactly one problem poster here and plenty decent of discussion happening. I’d honestly call that a win.
We’re free of the parts of MSB with which we refused to put up, and they’re free of people they clearly didn’t appreciate having in their community. We both win out of this.
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@Pavel Agreed. While the circumstances behind the split were harmful to some people, the actual split or two boards existing is entirely neutral. It could become harmful, and just as a person, I’d really love for us to…move on from obsessing about What They’re Saying Over There because I think it does perpetuate some bad blood and keep things emotional.
But deciding that a friend, or a group, is no longer for you and moving to make another friend or group isn’t a bad thing. Sometimes it’s just a matter of recognizing when your needs have diverged from someone else’s and all of you will be happier in separate circles.
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The split itself? We don’t know the full outcome of that, yet, but we’ve had exactly one problem poster here and plenty decent of discussion happening. I’d honestly call that a win.
On the whole I think I agree, mostly in the arc of history I think these WORA successor boards have had pretty different tones and (over the long) that’s been more toward the good than the bad. A new house provides something of a shake-up to entrenched ideas and social dynamics that usually feels like it creates at least different perspectives, though I’m always sad to see old posters drop off (which I think is mostly just due to us being Olds now rather than being DRIVEN AWAY). I think losing the archive of posts is always a blow to the community but (for now) that’s still around, so ain’t all bad.
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I’d really love for us to…move on from obsessing about What They’re Saying Over There
I agree. Though I don’t care about the idea of bad blood or emotionality, I just don’t think they’re really relevant. I suppose this is very “be the bigger person”-minded but I’m quite content to let them do their own thing while we do ours.
They’re going to continue to do whatever it is we’re accusing them of, constantly talking about it isn’t going to change that. So I’d prefer that we just plod along doing our own thing, and ignore them. They’re unimportant.
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Some of us are still being actively maligned; it’s a lot easier to say ‘don’t feed it’ when your name isn’t in their mouths.
eta: Which is learned from experience! I know I have repeatedly tried to deescalate things too and have advocated stop engaging, but man, it is hard to feel that with this prolonged bullshit being drawn out.
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The idea that both sides don’t recognise the split is harmful? Of /course it is/.
See, I’m not sure it is ultimately.
The reasons behind the split, and the metaphorical violence behind the split? Absolutely harmful and I’m not going to deny it.
For me, the inciting incident was me making a post saying, “This piece of news hurt me very much.”
Derp replied with, “I refuse to engage you on that level, because it is more important to me to show that I am detached and intelligent and saw it coming than it is to acknowledge that this hurts you or affects anyone’s live.”
I replied, "You’ll never stop this, will you?
He replied, “No, and you’re wrong to ask me to.”
That is the violence I personally suffered in this split, the hurt I’ve tried to veil behind my online persona of detached irony.
So, as you say, I do not consider the split itself harmful. Even though I don’t think I’ve played on a MU* in at least eighteen months, what I feel most about the split is relief and a sense of safety, knowing he and his fanboys are out of my life as far as my forum career goes and maybe for the rest of my life. I am well shed of them. I know it won’t stop them from trying to hurt me (and I look forward to learning that someone has screengrabbed this post to bolster their argument that I am stirring the drama), but they are welcome to do what they want. In this moment, I feel peaceful, and wish them all the joy they can find in trying exact revenge on my ghost.
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@junipersky said in Bannings:
Is Faraday here? The little @ thing says you are.
You are a good person.
Lol oh man don’t summon her into this mess, I’m sure she has this section of the board on Ignore or whatnot
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Some of us are still being actively maligned; it’s a lot easier to say ‘don’t feed it’ when your name isn’t in their mouths.
eta: Which is learned from experience! I know I have repeatedly tried to deescalate things too and have advocated stop engaging, but man, it is hard to feel that with this prolonged bullshit being drawn out.
It absolutely is, which is why I’m expressing it simply as a preference rather than an edict or a “god you people should know better” kind of… statement. You’re all adults, you can do what you want I’m not your mother.
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I understand.
But I also think that the guy who just will not or cannot see why his actions were unwelcome and also why their pursuit was not a good idea is not going to see it. And those who are knee jerk determined to “protect” certain people from “mean, bullying” others are going to gloss over what they need to. Or they genuinely don’t see or care about anyone else’s experience or interpretation.
If that’s going to be tolerated on a place for whatever reason there’s just not a lot that can be done.
Its not easy, I’m not sure a peace about it can be or should be made. I am glad that at least now I personally have a place where probably I won’t have to deal with a few folks unless I decide to.
But im never going to convince two in particular that I am even worth half a sack of shit as far as being a real live human being. I did not really realize how much that affected me when participating in the community until now where I’m reasonably certain I will not have to worry about how they treat me here because they are not interested in participating here.
Unfairly or not I expect that certain people feel the same way there. I know there are people who are over the moon i don’t have anything to do with being on the team over there. But I do think its hard to let go, its hard to not want to defend yourself even if intellectually you know that you are never going to convince people who are digging in their heels, its hard to see people siding with someone else instead of you, ect.
It’s hard and it’s going to be hard. But I do think its probably better to not make this a focus of this place or have it become the biggest main thread–eventually.
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