MU Peeves Thread

[Roz]

@Gashlycrumb said in Good things in Mushing:

@Roz Yes.

Sorry, though, it’s not the thread for it. I was being implusive.

lol okay i’ll MOVE THREADS, what’s the story then??

[dvoraen]

@Gashlycrumb

[sao]

my mu peeve is that i want to rp but i am sick and whiny and my brain is full of porridge

[Gashlycrumb]

@Roz Not sure there’s a new story. I mean, yeah, I was banned from a game a few years ago for it.

Once upon a time, if you posted about the fuckery on a MU to WORA, and the staffers on that game responded by treating you shabbily or banning you, the forum readership would heap scorn and derision upon said staffer and game. This was really about the only way WORA could hurt a game. Any other complaint tended to cause new players to show up. Which is reasonable – No game is perfect, but if somebody’s bitching about its flaws, this proves that it’s good enough that at least one person is invested. Enough, even, to have an emotion.

The last five years or so, it seems to be pretty much a given that somebody will take your ‘peeve’ and insist that it’s a targeted personal insult and get hostile with you on the game. This will happen if you complain about something that happened ten years ago or something very general. Somebody put it something like, “My peeve is a one-size hospital johnny and you’re taking it like it’s a bespoke suit just for you.”

The “vote with your feet” line is a far cry from new, but shaming players for complaining became cool.

The last year or so of MSB included some real gems – It’s wrong to suggest that GMs who do things are better than those who do not, it might hurt their feelings. Why should anybody bother making and running a MU if it’s inevitable that someone will complain about it? Heck, the whole “Are friends bad?” catch-phrase appeared, as far as I know, as a straw-man response to the suggestion that GMs shouldn’t spend all their time making game for insular cliques who don’t spread the fun.

Games with stated rules “Do not post about the game, it makes the game look bad,” pass without much comment, even when they’re not ‘Blood of Dragons.’

[Roz]

@Gashlycrumb said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz Not sure there’s a new story.

I just don’t think I’ve ever seen the thing you’re talking about as if it’s commonplace (someone getting banned just for complaining). I may have seen one or two bans that involved some forum posting, but as part of a much larger picture of issues. So when I was asking for a story, it’s because I don’t really know the old ones you’re referring to, either.

Games with stated rules “Do not post about the game, it makes the game look bad,” pass without much comment, even when they’re not ‘Blood of Dragons.’

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game with this rule. What others have been around with it?

[Gashlycrumb]

@Roz I don’t think getting banned at all is commonplace. Being treated shabbily may be.

Fortunately, the hobby is still big enough and broad enough that Your Milage May Will Vary.

My experience is that I’m playing fewer games and have fewer RP-buddies, but I hear privately about shabby crap at about the same rate or higher, and more insist on keeping it private for fear of repercussions.

[Pavel]

If you go back ten or so years ago, there were definitely places wherein if they discovered you had posted on WORA (or wherever), they would flay you alive, tar you, feather you, fire you into the sea, and then ban you. I can’t think of names off the top of my head because I am an old man, and ten years is a long time.

[Tez]

@Pavel Firan! I got you, old man. They didn’t take kindly to posting in those parts. There’s definitely been a history of admin who frowned upon people posting. I’m not entirely surprised it continues in the future, but I’d sure like to know who.

I find it very telling when people make a policy of not posting. Maybe they realized that when they post they are telling on themselves. It’s always my favorite when someone goes to post and just makes themselves look worse.

[Gashlycrumb]

@Tez

An aside, I feel that Firan’s most excellent moment was when they banned my friend because there were no gay people in Firan-world, or there were only pre-made characters and none were gay, or at the very least, that particular character wasn’t to be gay, but staff could tell that my friend was making the character think gay thoughts.

Did Firan announce its ‘no forum posting’ rule? It seems like that’s one that doesn’t end up on game websites, but shows on bbs. I’m not sure Blood of Dragons has it on their site either, though it’s well-known and they have a history of bbposts forbidding players to ever mention other GoT/ASOIAF MUs or to speculate on how long it might be before George R. R. Martin gets the finger out and finishes the next book, etc.

[Nynrose]

I want to RP so badly but there are no Fantasy based MU’s out there.

[MisterBoring]

My current peeve is that my life is so screwed up right now I barely have time for random computer & video games let alone the brain power required for RP.

[Pavel]

@Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

Firan! I got you, old man.

Well, that one’s a gimme. If you can think of a stupid policy, Firan did it first and worst.

Firanites don’t have buttholes, remember.

[STD]

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

Firan! I got you, old man.

Firanites don’t have buttholes, remember.

… Wat?

[Muscle Car]

@Pavel “No” buttholes?
Skill issue.

[Juniper]

Where did their buttholes go? Is there a butthole thief?

[Gashlycrumb]

@Tez said in MU Peeves Thread:

I find it very telling when people make a policy of not posting. Maybe they realized that when they post they are telling on themselves. It’s always my favorite when someone goes to post and just makes themselves look worse.

This puzzles me.

If game-runners make a policy forbidding others to post, I find it telling.

But the majority of people in the hobby neither read nor post to forums about the hobby. I don’t think it’s because they know they’ll look bad, they just don’t, uh. Want to.

Do you mean people who have a rant in private but keep it private? Or?

[Tez]

@Gashlycrumb I mean when people make it a policy not to post. That’s it. It’s not complicated.

People can and do rant in private, or in other semi-public forums, discords, reddits. Whatever! That’s all fine. People can say what they want, when they want, where they want. That includes the right to silence, too. No one has to post here, there, or anywhere. If someone doesn’t want to, then please, don’t.

It’s when you make it a policy to police what staff or players on your game can do that it becomes sticky.

[Prototart]

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

If you go back ten or so years ago, there were definitely places wherein if they discovered you had posted on WORA (or wherever), they would flay you alive, tar you, feather you, fire you into the sea, and then ban you.

it isn’t that this changed it’s just that nobody ever comes to dump things anymore

everybody either silently deals with it until they can’t or just leaves bc they know exposing like even the absolute worst behaviors won’t accomplish anything and literally no one will care who didn’t already