Mod Voice
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I half like the idea of like… TezMod being the mod account, and then when you quit or whatever, password changed. So the posts are obviously mod voice. Buy that also means logging into it if needed, and remembering to log out after so you don’t mod voice somewhere else.
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Use a mod account. Share it or not, but have it be separate from your regular accounts. Keep the regular accounts tagged, for transparency’s sake.
1 - Separation for YOU, separation for US
2 - Archive / search purposes – makes it very very easy to review mod decisions
3 - There is NO WAY for this to end up ambigious. Caps, what if you need cruise control? Formatting, what if you are on your phone and don’t have access to the template and need IMMEDIATE action?
4 - If you have to log out, then log back in, to do admin-ing, it is an intentional act. This will prevent (some) emotional decisions
more reasons, but these are the big ones.
If you share a mod account, sign the post as who it was.
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If there’s some special admin account, this might be the best thing, especially in light of our history of wanting the ability to block moderators.
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One of the things we would like to make clear is when we are talking in an Authoritative Mod Voice vs our usual nonsense.
I mean…
As long as neither of these voices is spewing things that are
unacceptablenot condoned, does it matter a huge amount?I don’t particularly like the idea of a separate account to mod from. You’re the same person, whether you’re a mod or not. If you have to put on a different skin to moderate…
…moderating might not be for you.
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As long as neither of these voices is spewing things that are unacceptable not condoned, does it matter a huge amount?
Yes. There’s a difference between me telling you to go fuck yourself and mod-me telling you that this line of conversation is against the rules (as a terrible example).
ETA: For clarity, the former is regular ol’ us-posting, the latter is an enforcement of a rule. Like being an off duty vs on duty cop, or something.
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Ok but fuck the police
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@sao But, every little thing they do is magic…
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Yes. There’s a difference between me telling you to go fuck yourself and mod-me telling you that this line of conversation is against the rules (as a terrible example).
Right, but if you’re not capable of showing that differentiation without needing to logout and log back in…
IDK. It also feels very reactionary.
The problem isn’t that a person in particular put on their MOD VOICE and handled something. It’s the PERSON IN PARTICULAR that put on their mod voice.
I can tell when you’re telling me to fuck myself as a joke, because you would never tell me to fuck myself as a mod.
I can tell when you’re making wisecracks about Roe v Wade as a joke, because you would never make wisecracks about Roe v Wade as a mod (or a decent human being in general).
I don’t mind MOD VOICE or whatever you need to do to make it feel more official, but having a separate account is just going to add unnecessary steps to address what is ultimately a non-existent problem (assuming you hire the right people and not Derp).
IMO.
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I do like the idea of mods / admins having some way of absolutely identifying they are acting in that role. Be it separate accounts, or even just a specific formatting option locked to admins.
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@KarmaBum I feel this, and I get this, but I can also see another side? Not everyone who posts here is going to have the same level of comfort with each mod. I think having clear ways to differentiate (and yes, be able to block as posters) between mod input and poster input would be a net positive for inclusion.
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@KarmaBum I quite agree. I err on the side of the text distinction. Conversations are gonna get heated, especially in the Rough and Rowdy section. That’s to be expected. And we need a quick and easy way to differentiate between a mod mucking in with the crew and them laying down the law.
At least in my view.
yes, be able to block as posters
As far as I’m aware, if you want us to still have the label next to our regular names along-side having a mod account, we’d still be set admin/mod and would still be unblockable. I don’t know of any work around for this.
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As far as I’m aware, if you want us to still have the label next to our regular names along-side having a mod account, we’d still be set admin/mod and would still be unblockable. I don’t know of any work around for this.
Potential workaround: making a group just for labeling that has none of the permissions and put the actual powers elsewhere, namely in another account.
Honestly, if you have a mod that people feel the need to block, there’s a problem SOMEWHERE that should probably be addressed first.
On that subject, we ARE working on something along those lines: ways to appeal decisions, etc. etc., so that if there is a problem you will have ways (MULTIPLE ONES) to say so.
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I’m just upvoting every argument even the ones that contradict each other at this point. So many good points. Good luck making a decision!
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Not everyone who posts here is going to have the same level of comfort with each mod.
Right, which is why it’s a good thing that the mods we have are reasonable, sane humans.
It feels like a separate account is just a way to mask problematic behavior. If @tsar can’t treat me with respect on her normal account, changing over to her mod account doesn’t make her a different person.
But I also don’t have much more opinion on this.
If you guys as admin think you want second accounts? Go for it. If one of you turns out to be such a prick that I’d want to block your regular account? I will bounce, regardless of your second account status.
If second accounts make the mods happy, knock yourselves out. Just please keep it transparent somehow.
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I’m just upvoting every argument even the ones that contradict each other at this point. So many good points. Good luck making a decision!
I’m just upvoting every post because I appreciate the feedback.
We can try one thing, and if it doesn’t work, try another. But hearing what people like (OR HATE) is a good place to start, even knowing we can’t make everyone happy.
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@Tez Personally I’d go for option 2, but instead just have it be this:
Blah blah this is me, Tez, talking normally. As me, Tez.
ADMIN: This is me, Tez, talking as an admin. Stop that, you marsupial gits.
Mod voice feels too much like mom voice and a more…talking down? That talking to? Not sure why.
I’ve actually been persuaded in the virtue of having a single log in admin account. Though, with the caveats Rathykins noted, around identifying who is doing the acting when acting with them.
(Or even comboing it to factor in Pavel’s concerns. So admin can issue warnings via ADMIN: or Mod Voice: or whatever from their main account and then have actions on the single log in, maybe. Though that loses the blocking benefit).
It is possible to think someone can be an OK admin and just not want to listen to them.
