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@Cygnus They are talking about the video games you noted such as CoD. They aren’t talking about PvP games.

This is on Game Gab. We’re here to, in theory, be constructive. If you want people to have a reasonable conversation about PvP, maybe don’t call all PvE games bland games filled with elderly romance novelists. Like?? It’s not a PvP conversation. It’s a conversation about PvP.

Forked off pvp stuff by request to https://brandmu.day/topic/583/pvp-vs-pvp

@Ashkuri said in MU Peeves Thread:

Why is there a concern with “we have to be fair” to people who are toxic to staff and other players, totally obnoxious, or otherwise a bad fit?

Every day I am grateful that the community has shifted away from this batshit behavior. IF THE VIBES ARE RANCID, BYE BYE.

Now that I know the kids say ‘faceclaim’ instead of ‘playedby’, I found a few other sources thanks to KB setting me on the right path:

• https://herorps.tumblr.com/fcd
• https://argentangelhelps.tumblr.com/faceclaimdirectory
• https://thefcdproject.tumblr.com/directory
• https://ooolympia.tumblr.com/fcdirectory

Shout out to this one for period appropriate pbs:

• https://periodfcnetwork.tumblr.com/directory

I guess I should say fcs now, but y’all will think I mean feature characters instead.

@MisterBoring That’s an interesting point. There do exist models for SD that are fed on images in public domain, but I’m curious how well they really hold up because of the sorts of examples you mention.

@bear_necessities said in AI PBs:

I’m thoroughly confused by what the argument is at this point. Is it ok to use AI as long as i acknowledge it’s harmful to artists?

It’s okay to use AI. Maybe it’s not perfect, but fuck it. I use AI, but I acknowledge the technology has some real flaws, and I don’t try to pretend that it is ethically better than alternatives. I’ve used AI for images and AI for code. I’ve even used AI to help me figure out why an update failed for BMD, so abandon ship if that’s a problem!!

I use it. I do sometimes think about whether I should buy carbon credits or something to feel like I use it ethically, but on the other hand, I don’t worry about the carbon credits I burn playing video games. I don’t know. On my fucks given scale, it doesn’t really rate, but it does sometimes itch.

In this discussion, I find the approach that AI PBs are ethically preferable to using PBs of existing persons hard to swallow.

What is the line of thinking? Many of these models have used those very same images in their training data. Like, you’re just using the exact same images with an extra layer of ‘and also other copyrighted works’, in a way that is still very much under debate for how much actual harm it causes.

Then there are some harmful beliefs out there which make people blind to potential issues:

@STD said in AI PBs:

Secondly, if the model is made for a for-profit system like Midjourney, then they already have the requisite rights and permissions. That’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy a license for Midjourney.

That’s just incorrect. Make your judgments on the matter based on fact, at least.

Agree w/ Faraday and Roz. We live in a world that forces us to make choices and compromise every day of our lives to try to do the most good, or at least the least harm, all while knowing that there are vast organizations constantly enacting destruction on scales we could never reach. We are only human and we have to live. We will never be perfect.

But at least make those choices with open eyes.

@KarmaBum said in AI PBs:

I do this. It was a huge inconvenience at first, as it’s really hard to find anything for sale online not through Amazon. Like, I’ve even bought things off Etsy that turned out to just be repackaged Amazon stuff.

Not to hugely sidetrack this thread, but I am also an Amazon boycotter. Most of the things you find on Amazon AND on Etsy can usually be found on Ali Express and other similar places because they all come from various dropshippers overseas. When that’s the case, I usually go straight to AE. I find it really exasperating how hard it can be to find legit products on Etsy sometimes.

@Aria lmfao ty I’ll look. At the hair transplant costs, I mean.

Same MO:

https://brandmu.day/topic/580/banned-necro-bnuuy

Serves me right for seeing what would happen if I lifted the registration freeze.

Forked out and banned the trolls.

Forked out the AI PB discussion to try to keep resources in the other thread, discussion here.

@helvetica I used to use Pinterest (especially Roz’s pinterest collection) a lot but I’ve had issues running into unending unmarked but obviously AI images.

@KarmaBum THANK U. I need more resources like that.

If you aren’t a coder, I would get familiar with what Ares and FS3 can provide as a base and work with your game from there. The less you have to code, the faster you will be able to move.

Where do you find your PBs?

@real_mirage said in World Tone / Feeling:

Also I want a Grimbright/Nobledark sci-fi/fantasy with mechs and lords and ladies and dragons.

Because I am like 14 and hate having to work and laying taxes.

Funny enough I know someone working on a game that could fit that whole-ass description.

ETA: Not me. I’m not working on this. I’m not being coy about me working on this. IT’S NOT ME.

@Faraday said in Player Ratios:

Just look at why +vote/+nom systems fell out of favor. I even stopped using the completely useless (nothing but a public ‘attaboy’) +cookies on my games because of the complaints about so-and-so always getting all the scenes, or cookie-voting circles, or people feeling bad that they never made the leaderboard, or whatever. (There’s a reason they’re a plugin on Ares and not standard in the core code.)

Speaking as one of the people who can sometimes feel kind of terrible in the world of public cookies, public <3s, and public votes, thank you for making this change. It was never rational on my part, but it feels better to me when there isn’t a leaderboard to chase.

That’s been the case for me a lot, actually, when faced with leaderboard systems. Arx had its modeling leaderboard. It was really fun to do big modeling and have big numbers. But with leaderboards it can always feel like there’s an insurmountable lead, too. I don’t know. There’s always some real fucking +/- with those systems. It’s worth keeping in mind on the balance.

It’s a reminder that helps me see why point-based systems can really turn people off. I do still wish there was a way to reward people for their work on games, from running plots to helping people, but maybe the real reward is the friends we make along the way.

@Gashlycrumb said in Player Ratios:

And how much of a not-drag must a player be to get a seat? Obviously much of the time when a staff storyteller is criticised for cherry-picking who to GM what they are doing is GMing the people who are the most fun for them.

If you don’t have GMing staff, and players running stories for one another is just how your game rolls, you really have no reason to worry about Abelard.

I keep coming back to this idea, and to Pyre, LBH – the piece about expectations. Shifting expectations away from staff somehow. But you can’t really do that without empowering players and giving them the tools to tell stories – and, with a nod to KB’s thread, to tell them in a way that people feel like they can touch the world.

I think people would probably still grumble about it, but damn, people always grumble about something.

@Faraday said in World Tone / Feeling:

Yet there are always players who want to civilize a Wild West game, create a superweapon that will defeat the Cylons in a Battlestar game, cure the zombie virus in a zombie game, etc.

This bit caught my eye. You are absolutely right. Not every game or gamerunner has or even WANTS this scope. Even if they do, you may have players with very different ideas of what fixing feudalism means. Being clear about scope can help shape expectation.