I’m the fucking armchair general. The armchair quarterback. I’m on r/BMD building my fantasy RP league. I’m in the office pool for March MUDness.

I’m out of metaphors.

@voiceinthevoid said in Wikibara’s allegations:

@Kestrel

– I appreciate Tek’s input in changing the name.

It’s Tez.

Just – to be clear. You’re fine. Just want everyone to know who I am, which is Tez, with a z.

Glad you guys had a good conversation.

@Kestrel said in Antisemitism allegedly:

Maybe it also really was an honest mistake to have created a whole new thread, and the intention was to reply directly to the comments in context. But I really wish this board didn’t now have a whole thread titled “Antisemitism Allegedly” about how, allegedly, allegations of antisemitism cannot be trusted. Did this need to be a topic here?

It’s possible to rename threads. V, I’d consider it. Person to person, player to player. Not mod voice.

@Faraday said in "My Guy Syndrome":

@Roz said in "My Guy Syndrome":

we’re not talking about TTRPGs, though; we’re talking about MU*s. they may take systems from TTRPGs, stats and dice and such, but the social structure of how players have to persistently interact is entirely different from a tabletop experience.

Yes, I realize MUs are not TTRPGS (obviously). I said it was because of the TTRPG influence, which I believe came over along with the “stats and dice and such”.

Seriously - have you seen “yes-and/no-but” as a commonplace principle in your MUSHing experience? Because I haven’t, even on games with a cooperative focus.

Yes, absolutely, to such a degree your question baffles me so I ask:

What do you think this looks like in practice?

@Roz brb digging up the code that does that and making it truncate at one

So SOMEONE who will REMAIN NAMELESS told me about a Discord RP ad that entertained her. It was deeply 2000s MUs. So I’ve done this deep dive on Discord RP servers, etc., to try to understand what the world is like out there.

The cultures are so different that it’s wild.

Literate RP. Semi-literate RP. I don’t think we really have those distinguishing marks because I think all RP in MU*s is assumed to be literate.

Except just now I tried to google literate vs semi-literate for definitions and apparently it has to do with length, not grammar and readability at all.

We don’t really talk about that kind of RP standards in the MU* community, do we? We talk about length, pacing, etc., but not in the same way others do. So what would you consider the RP standards to be on your game? Do you think it’s helpful to post? I don’t think anyone really ever does.

Some stuff on grid vs web scenes forked into it’s own thread here: https://brandmu.day/topic/644/grid-vs-web-scenes/10

@Trashcan said in Grid vs Web Scenes:

TEZ, THIS IS OFF TOPIC, fork me if you want.

fork u

(from https://brandmu.day/topic/643/rp-safari-pacing-styles/80)

Chud

Also banned: just watch me, a certain hunger, Sub-Zero, Hatsune Twe, kittypilled, smoke break

@MisterBoring I agree. I think that’s the only position that matters.

Well, except maybe also ‘I don’t want to RP with AI, and it’s against the rules, so people using AI are breaking the rules, ban them.’

@somasatori said in AI In Poses:

Even the staunchest “LLMs reduce the mental load/writing barrier on the player to dig into the story” advocates have to admit that would be a useless future for the hobby.

No one has to admit anything and YOU CAN’T MAKE THEM!!!

@somasatori This is inaccurate to how they would actually respond. I was actually just saying this elsewhere, but the technology changes RAPIDLY, and we are fooling ourselves to think that is what it looks like, or that what we recognize now we will recognize in six or even three months.

@somasatori Yeah. It looked like AI to me and it’s not the only game out there that looked like it had AI content to me. I don’t personally care as much about code, probably bc I’m not a coder, but the content is the heart and soul of it for me, and it sucks to see.

@Jumpscare said in AI In Poses:

@Tez said in AI In Poses:

I saw a lot of people going ‘oh no, people might think I’m AI’ on the other thread but no examples of anyone actually getting incorrectly flagged. I think these are strawmen. Have we seen it happen?

I put some of my writing for room descs into an AI detector. Almost every one was marked as AI. Then I tried some from a former builder who I know was using AI (but I hadn’t honed my personal detection methods well enough to spot it, and we’ve since removed all of her descs). And it came back as not AI. This was back in early 2024, though, so maybe detection methods have improved in almost 2 years.

I think a lot of us can say this about things we’ve written. Sometimes, especially because as a hobby we do often write a lot , and often in the areas these datasets are trained on, the way that we write CAN look sus. Lord knows we do, and have, and did raise this concern in the other thread.

But has anyone actually disciplined you for the things you’ve sincerely written, though? That’s the case I’m actually interested in, not the anxieties people have that they might accidentally get flagged as AI and banned on an off day. I just don’t think that’s happening.

I saw a lot of people going ‘oh no, people might think I’m AI’ on the other thread but no examples of anyone actually getting incorrectly flagged. I think these are strawmen. Have we seen it happen?

@Ashkuri said in AI In Poses:

You ask them if they’ve used AI and they say ‘no that’s my writing.’ Which seems super unlikely, but rare is the confronted player who just says “ya got me.”

What happens next?

You’re right that players rarely admit to using LLMs. Fundamentally in your scenario you have a player who has broken a rule. If someone breaks a rule, I would ban them. There’s not a lot of nuance in that.

The nuance, of course, is in the question on whether or not you can truly accurately determine whether or not someone is using LLM.

I strongly believe that you can. I honestly have found the conversation in the other thread sort of baffling on a fundamental level. I won’t say that it is always obvious – and this is something I will touch on in a moment – but between AI detectors and human intelligence, you can tell.

Have I caught everyone who uses LLM? Maybe not. Am I confident that everyone I’ve caught using LLM truly did? Yes.

@Faraday said in AI In Poses:

@Ashkuri I doubt I would try to enforce such a policy for individual poses, just as I don’t routinely run other peoples’ poses through a plagiarism checker. But speaking hypothetically…

I might not run things through a plagiarism checker, but I literally have seen people steal descriptions from other people and reuse them on other games. (@Roz for example. Someone stole her character desc from Arx and tried to use it on Concordia. As I recall, the player was disciplined. I am not sure if they were banned.)

We can and do punish players for plagiarism in this hobby, so if we treat them as equivalent, then why wouldn’t we punish them?

If their poses are that nonsensical, probably others will too. Feels like kind of a self-limiting problem to me.

I think you fail to understand how far LLM have come. You aren’t going to get absolute nonsense poses. LLMs are producing writing that grows more and more sophisticated. Like it or not, the technology evolves quickly. I don’t think you can dismiss it by saying that it is going to be obvious nonsense.

I’ve been thinking about how noticeable this will be going forward. As the technology grows more sophisticated, it may become more difficult to detect. It may slip past a threshold where I am confident in my ability to detect. I don’t know. I’ve spitballed ideas about how to deal with it in my head. Some of them are so silly that I won’t derail this thread with them.

For now, though, I can tell. I ban for plagiarism. I ban for LLM. Don’t break rules on my games.

No one post about em-dashes in this thread for the love of god. No one is coming for your em-dashes.

@Jumpscare Totally, but don’t let the perfect be the enemy of good.