Strike Systems

Ashkuri

I’m curious if anyone has actually legitimately witnessed a fundamental change in someone with regards to MUSH behavior

I have encountered:

People behaving very differently to me from one game to another game, in that the game structures and communities themselves brought out the best or worst of that person
People making a big effort to change their toxic MU behavior after fucking up so bad that they realized they need to get their house in order. This would probably be the ‘lost friends’ or fallout aspect you mentioned above
People who went on mental health medication and/or therapy and as a result developed more community-friendly and cooperative patterns in their MU spaces

Third Eye

I’m inclined to agree. I’m curious if anyone has actually legitimately witnessed a fundamental change in someone with regards to MUSH behavior, perhaps due to some fallout, maybe in the form of banning or lost friends.

I’ve seen people change both for the better and, unfortunately, the worse. In the ‘better’ case it took years and major life changes, not any MU punishment.

L. B. Heuschkel

@Juniper said in Strike Systems:

@Rucket said in Strike Systems:

At this point if I ran a game and someone spoke some right wing shit id ban them.

Amen to that.

“A-bloo-boo-hoo, freedom of speech, blah blah”
Nah. Go away. I’m tired of playing how far they can boil the frog before there’s a problem.

Not going to lie here: I like to think myself pretty open-minded, but I too object to being slow boiled like a frog. Don’t be pushing around Overton windows on my game.

It’s fine to discuss politics. It’s not fine to propagandize – and while I won’t ban you for being right-wing, I somehow don’t think you’re going to feel very welcome in the general community. Most of us are too fed up with this shit.

L. B. Heuschkel

@Yam said in Strike Systems:

I’m curious if anyone has actually legitimately witnessed a fundamental change in someone with regards to MUSH behavior, perhaps due to some fallout, maybe in the form of banning or lost friends.

Yes. On several games. But to no one’s surprise whatsoever, those people who do learn and reform also tend to keep very quiet about it, in order to leave the past well buried.

MisterBoring

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Strike Systems:

those people who do learn and reform also tend to keep very quiet about it, in order to leave the past well buried.

I think honestly that’s probably for the best, as constantly going “Remember when I was a total asshole 2 years ago and I took some time to myself and fixed it?” isn’t a good flex in it’s own right.

somasatori

@L-B-Heuschkel said in Strike Systems:

It’s fine to discuss politics. It’s not fine to propagandize –

At this point in our digital society, any discussion of politics in a mixed space is vociferous propaganda. No one is changing their ideological opinions based on an Internet conversation. Discussions about politics are only civil when a) everyone agrees with what someone is saying; b) everyone is silent or ignores the topic in the general hope that it goes away; or c) everyone has been friends for many years and knows each other’s politics, which largely predate their friendship. Option c is becoming a rarity these days.

RIP Max Horkheimer, you would have loved to hate the Web 2.0 era internet.

Edit: the above applies to discussions about United States politics and may not apply to other countries.

L. B. Heuschkel

@somasatori With a lot of international players, we do see discussions that are genuine discussions. But they’re between people who disagree on fairly minor issues – not from either extreme. Frankly, I don’t think that gap is bridgeable anymore, and I’m not sure it should be even attempted.

MisterBoring

@somasatori said in Strike Systems:

No one is changing their ideological opinions based on an ~~Internet~~ conversation.

I really feel like the majority of people (in the US at least) are locked into their opinions (ideological or not) up until the point something happens to them that flies in the face of those opinions or beliefs. A guy I went to high school with was very right-wing leaning in ideology, had a lot of family in agriculture, and mostly voted Republican across the board (he regularly votes for legalization of marijuana, so there have been exceptions).

That all changed this year when a big part of his family suddenly defaulted on a bunch of their farm loans because of government shenanigans and now his aunt and uncle are living on his couch. He changed his registered party and is now willing to hear any arguments that aren’t Republican ones and vote based on that. He also started noticing a lot of stuff people have been pointing out to him for decades and realizing it’s true.

Rucket

Minds can change. I used to be more centrist. Now I think we need to bust out guillotines. Turns out paying attention is a good way to wake up lol

Muscle Car

@Rucket
A Buddhist was selling hot dogs for three bucks. A customer asked him “Make me one with everything,” and gave him a five dollar bill. He got his hot dog but asked, “Where’s my change?” The vendor replied, “True change comes from within.”

Your statement reminded me of the joke. Congrats on looking inside. ️