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Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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Pardoning your own staff, how brave!
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@Pax Thank you for articulating all that in a far less frustrated and angry way than I could ever have managed.
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So it seems that you are helpful to Cujo. Help him steer and control where he wants the game to go, you are fine to do whatever you wish to other players. That it is an honor to be bothered by his hand-picked sex pests, or did I miss read his post?
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I mean, if I were you I would cut ties with this mess. Maybe you could help build something worthwhile with some of these players who are dedicated to making a better, more socially responsible game.
When the people who will defend others leave a space, that space gets worse. People need to know there is someone they can report this stuff to. We’ve done it with other instances. People have been banned from the game for this behavior. Every instance of harassment I have been made aware of has had investigations done and determinations made.
Just out of curiosity, why so patently loyal to Cujo? Because from the optics, he does nothing but turn a blind eye to abuse because he can’t be bothered to deal with it, so the sex pests run amok. Does he have some kind of dirty laundry on you. Because is it that easy to wash your hands of it because ‘investigations were done and determinations were made’ when all the evidence and testimony here suggests the exact opposite?
Or do you just not give a shit?
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@STD said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Everyone here has already said that no log will ever be accepted as evidence of anything.
It is evidence, it’s just bad evidence.
But your overall question is good: What kinds of things would we accept as proof for assertions?
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Cujo sounds like he stepped straight out of 1998 Game Admin School.
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@STD said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
Everyone here has already said that no log will ever be accepted as evidence of anything.
lol citation needed
there’s a vast gulf between “logs of bad behavior aren’t required to assume it is happening” and “no log will ever be accepted as evidence of anything”
also is this game run by Ganymede? this whole “stand by your man while he harasses everyone around you and pretend it’s fine” vibe is crazy familiar, bonus points for opaque “discussions” and banning everyone
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The question of ‘What would get all of our player back?’ is probably moot at this point. Cujo has been weighting the entire game heavily in favor of a particular group for years now.
He’s changed the rules multiple times to allow non-Mandalorians to ‘convert’ to ‘real’ Mandalorians, which is how the Kora group started in the first place. Then he changed the rules so nobody else could ever form a group that way.
Clearly, the only players he cares about are the toxic club in Clan Kora. Might as well change the game’s name to Manbros: Age of Kora.
But if there’s any legitimate curiosity from staff about why some of their former players left, we’ve got a whole list of reasons in this thread.
The main grievance though, can really just be gleaned from the thread’s title: What are they going to do about the cultural of sexual pestering and harassment that permeates the game, and what are they going to do about the game’s (arguably) most obnoxious player?
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Convenient that everyone who spoke up, or was friends with the fired staff, was purged from the game before Cujo released a statement.
There are inaccuracies. There are no mentions of multiple other people who stepped forward with claims. There are flat out lies about the removed staff. There is no mention of Cujo’s own questionable behavior. He has been quick to denounce this website as a whole. He’s covering his ass, he’s covering Hadrix’s, and he’s throwing the people who spoke up under the bus.
My alts were deleted, wiki access revoked, main character (I believe) thrown into an off grid room. I did not plan on returning to the game with Cujo and Hadrix on staff, but am allowed to be angry about the blatant power and revenge trip - and I’m not even INVOLVED. I was only vocal. The same has been done to other players as well.
500+ comments on a pervasive culture of toxicity and predation, complete with allegations against both Cujo and Hadrix, who was promoted to staff anyway, and yet they’ve done nothing wrong.
ETA: clarity
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@DarthSmegma said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
He’s changed the rules multiple times to allow non-Mandalorians to ‘convert’ to ‘real’ Mandalorians
I may be getting my canon wires crossed here, because… fuckin’ look at canon… but isn’t that already a totally normal (if difficult) thing that can happen?
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@Pavel Yeah, sure. And now on AoA only NEW players can be Mandalorians. No existing players can go grab some beskar armor and pestering everyone.
Except that’s not ENTIRELY true. Apparently the posted rule was bent recently to allow Colo Nell to convert despite being past the thirty day ‘new character’ limit listed in the rules.
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@DarthSmegma Ah, I see. It’s rules upon rules upon fuckery upon bullshit.
Carry on!
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@Pavel Yeah, the Kora clan was allowed to form a specific way in game, and then that particular ladder was pulled up.
Clan Kora must always be on top, no matter how many times the rules must change.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF First I would have to have any idea who made the complaints, and I think we all know why me suddenly asking for the names of accusers might have pretty bad optics.
Okay. I’m rested, I have more spoons, my temper is somewhat restored. I’m going to ask you questions that are not friendly in tone but that you will have to be able to answer if you actually want people to trust you mean what you say about wanting to help.
Why do you need to know who made the complaints? What exactly is the process you intend to follow that requires the people who have made accounts here to complain about rampant sexual harassment on your game to identify themselves and their alts to you?
Nobody is going to believe me if I suddenly show up on scene, telling everyone, “Hey guys! Banshee is here! You’re all safe now!” That would be hilariously dumb.
Yes, I know. It would be dumb because it would be making all this be about you. Has it occurred to you that you can instead do this by making it about them? That instead of showing up and claiming that you will make everything better, you could have showed up and said something like, “Hi, everyone. I’m Banshee over on AoA, and I apologize to everyone who’s experienced sexual harassment on a game I’m responsible for. I had no idea this kind of thing was happening, or that I project an image that you can’t trust me to handle your complaints fairly. I want to do everything in my power to help you get justice, whatever that looks like to you. If you’re interested, please, tag me in a reply or DM me so we can start a talk about what you need from me?”
Do you understand the message it sends when you come over here claiming to want to help victims but instead make the conversation all about you and your reputation, your history, your track record? Because women spend most of our lives having men use their power to casually deny our humanity in favor of casting us as subordinates to men, and sexual harassment is just another, hurtful permutation of that. When you act like the conversation needs to be about you and your good intentions, it sends a message that we can’t trust you because you see yourself as the protagonist of our stories. That may not be your intent, but it’s how it comes off, so you need to work on that to be an effective advocate.
I cannot undo what has happened. I don’t think I can even provide some measure of comfort to people that were wronged. But someone in the community is here, putting themselves out there for the discussion.
If you think you can’t help, then why bring it up at all? What goal is served by saying you want to do a thing you can’t do? It sounds like you’re offering the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers,” wanting points for saying something you think is nice while refusing to take action for the people asking for it.
Also, I never promised that I was good at this. I never pretended to be an expert.
The analogy I’m going to offer is extreme, but I hope it demonstrates the difference between intent and outcome, and the importance of knowing what you’re doing.
Someone on a bus is choking. I decide I’m going to help them by doing that thing I’ve seen on TV where I stab them in the neck with a knife to puncture their airway, then stick a hollow pen in the hole so they can breathe through it. The only problem is, I don’t know how to do that, so instead of saving his life I kill him. I never told the man I killed I was good at this or an expert. But he is still dead and his blood is still on my hands.
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@Testament said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
<snip> why so patently loyal to Cujo? Because from the optics, he does nothing but turn a blind eye to abuse because he can’t be bothered to deal with it </snip>
He isn’t merely blind to sex pest behavior, he is a sex pest himself, per earlier posts, at minimum hiding in players’ private spaces while @dark to observe the TS of his player base, which is… eugh.
Since free porn and free erotica of every flavor can be found with the most casual of Google searches, and taking into account the… dubious quality of most TS writing, and my guess is the digital voyeurism was the real thrill there.
Add in that @sweep informs staff, apparently, so he can find out when he’s been caught creeping?
Super creep.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
If this is how you treat people who are trying to help, I can start to understand why no one tries to help.
This is not how I treat people who are trying to help. This is how I treat people who come to this thread to defend themselves and their reputations first and foremost, then claim later that they’re trying to help but also have no capacity to help because it’s out of their hands. It’s how I treat someone who, as best I can tell, only said he wants to help so that he can be absolved for his inaction because he claims to have good intentions.
I am aware that it is more constructive to be patient and coddling, but the plain fact is I do not always have the fortitude for that, and people who are complicit in a culture as bad as AoA’s apparently is do not deserve it. They can be granted it by the grace of the person offering it, but they’re not entitled to it, and I frankly question whether there’s even a point given how hard it seems to be for anyone involved to perceive the victims as full human beings.
And I’m not helvetica, but I’ll answer a couple of the next few points anyway.
If he’s someone with influence on that game how does it help to remove himself from the game?
It doesn’t, but it does grant him the absolution of responsibility he seems to be asking for. You can’t be blamed for outcomes you have no part in.
It definitely helps all the hurt/angry people that would like to see the place fail as revenge, but it doesn’t actually help the game itself in any way.
I ask this seriously, not rhetorically: who cares one way or the other if the game fails? So what? Why should we prioritize the health of the game over the health of the people hurt by its staff and players?
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I still think Cujo reads as a severe case of Geek Social Fallacy run amok. It’s manifesting as “We all want to play Star Wars, right? So let’s make the game work, and be big, so we can all play Star Wars. Your complaints just bring the game down, therefore you’re rooting for us to fail, therefore I don’t trust you.”
Just less than zero social skills.
He has no idea why people are complaining about “harassment.” To him it’s just a distraction from Playing Star Wars.
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@64bitjedi Can you comment on the staff level on the bannings/deletions/punishments of the players who are speaking out? Are these decided merely by Cujo, or by staff vote and discussion? Is the staff aware when these people are getting the axe?
I’m curious if any staff are aware this is happening and if so, on what level?
I can attest that I’ve seen Cujo quietly shush away concerns in private with one of the Greystorm people, who seemed to have a pretty open reign on the game for a time. Maybe it’s all about the Kora faction. I don’t know. But it does seem his MO to try to talk privately about concerns. And then nothing happens.
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@Polk Except for the part where he’s been caught going dark and watching people TS, you mean?
That’s not a lack of social skills. A lack of social skills would be him barging into the room visible and ripping open a bag of microwave popcorn before saying, “Don’t mind me.”
This was someone specifically setting himself invisible then sneaking into someone’s closet to watch them hook up with their boyfriend.
