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Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo
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@Pavel Yeah, sure. And now on AoA only NEW players can be Mandalorians. No existing players can go grab some beskar armor and pestering everyone.
Except that’s not ENTIRELY true. Apparently the posted rule was bent recently to allow Colo Nell to convert despite being past the thirty day ‘new character’ limit listed in the rules.
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@DarthSmegma Ah, I see. It’s rules upon rules upon fuckery upon bullshit.
Carry on!
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@Pavel Yeah, the Kora clan was allowed to form a specific way in game, and then that particular ladder was pulled up.
Clan Kora must always be on top, no matter how many times the rules must change.
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@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF First I would have to have any idea who made the complaints, and I think we all know why me suddenly asking for the names of accusers might have pretty bad optics.
Okay. I’m rested, I have more spoons, my temper is somewhat restored. I’m going to ask you questions that are not friendly in tone but that you will have to be able to answer if you actually want people to trust you mean what you say about wanting to help.
Why do you need to know who made the complaints? What exactly is the process you intend to follow that requires the people who have made accounts here to complain about rampant sexual harassment on your game to identify themselves and their alts to you?
Nobody is going to believe me if I suddenly show up on scene, telling everyone, “Hey guys! Banshee is here! You’re all safe now!” That would be hilariously dumb.
Yes, I know. It would be dumb because it would be making all this be about you. Has it occurred to you that you can instead do this by making it about them? That instead of showing up and claiming that you will make everything better, you could have showed up and said something like, “Hi, everyone. I’m Banshee over on AoA, and I apologize to everyone who’s experienced sexual harassment on a game I’m responsible for. I had no idea this kind of thing was happening, or that I project an image that you can’t trust me to handle your complaints fairly. I want to do everything in my power to help you get justice, whatever that looks like to you. If you’re interested, please, tag me in a reply or DM me so we can start a talk about what you need from me?”
Do you understand the message it sends when you come over here claiming to want to help victims but instead make the conversation all about you and your reputation, your history, your track record? Because women spend most of our lives having men use their power to casually deny our humanity in favor of casting us as subordinates to men, and sexual harassment is just another, hurtful permutation of that. When you act like the conversation needs to be about you and your good intentions, it sends a message that we can’t trust you because you see yourself as the protagonist of our stories. That may not be your intent, but it’s how it comes off, so you need to work on that to be an effective advocate.
I cannot undo what has happened. I don’t think I can even provide some measure of comfort to people that were wronged. But someone in the community is here, putting themselves out there for the discussion.
If you think you can’t help, then why bring it up at all? What goal is served by saying you want to do a thing you can’t do? It sounds like you’re offering the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers,” wanting points for saying something you think is nice while refusing to take action for the people asking for it.
Also, I never promised that I was good at this. I never pretended to be an expert.
The analogy I’m going to offer is extreme, but I hope it demonstrates the difference between intent and outcome, and the importance of knowing what you’re doing.
Someone on a bus is choking. I decide I’m going to help them by doing that thing I’ve seen on TV where I stab them in the neck with a knife to puncture their airway, then stick a hollow pen in the hole so they can breathe through it. The only problem is, I don’t know how to do that, so instead of saving his life I kill him. I never told the man I killed I was good at this or an expert. But he is still dead and his blood is still on my hands.
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@Testament said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
<snip> why so patently loyal to Cujo? Because from the optics, he does nothing but turn a blind eye to abuse because he can’t be bothered to deal with it </snip>
He isn’t merely blind to sex pest behavior, he is a sex pest himself, per earlier posts, at minimum hiding in players’ private spaces while @dark to observe the TS of his player base, which is… eugh.
Since free porn and free erotica of every flavor can be found with the most casual of Google searches, and taking into account the… dubious quality of most TS writing, and my guess is the digital voyeurism was the real thrill there.
Add in that @sweep informs staff, apparently, so he can find out when he’s been caught creeping?
Super creep.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
If this is how you treat people who are trying to help, I can start to understand why no one tries to help.
This is not how I treat people who are trying to help. This is how I treat people who come to this thread to defend themselves and their reputations first and foremost, then claim later that they’re trying to help but also have no capacity to help because it’s out of their hands. It’s how I treat someone who, as best I can tell, only said he wants to help so that he can be absolved for his inaction because he claims to have good intentions.
I am aware that it is more constructive to be patient and coddling, but the plain fact is I do not always have the fortitude for that, and people who are complicit in a culture as bad as AoA’s apparently is do not deserve it. They can be granted it by the grace of the person offering it, but they’re not entitled to it, and I frankly question whether there’s even a point given how hard it seems to be for anyone involved to perceive the victims as full human beings.
And I’m not helvetica, but I’ll answer a couple of the next few points anyway.
If he’s someone with influence on that game how does it help to remove himself from the game?
It doesn’t, but it does grant him the absolution of responsibility he seems to be asking for. You can’t be blamed for outcomes you have no part in.
It definitely helps all the hurt/angry people that would like to see the place fail as revenge, but it doesn’t actually help the game itself in any way.
I ask this seriously, not rhetorically: who cares one way or the other if the game fails? So what? Why should we prioritize the health of the game over the health of the people hurt by its staff and players?
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I still think Cujo reads as a severe case of Geek Social Fallacy run amok. It’s manifesting as “We all want to play Star Wars, right? So let’s make the game work, and be big, so we can all play Star Wars. Your complaints just bring the game down, therefore you’re rooting for us to fail, therefore I don’t trust you.”
Just less than zero social skills.
He has no idea why people are complaining about “harassment.” To him it’s just a distraction from Playing Star Wars.
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@64bitjedi Can you comment on the staff level on the bannings/deletions/punishments of the players who are speaking out? Are these decided merely by Cujo, or by staff vote and discussion? Is the staff aware when these people are getting the axe?
I’m curious if any staff are aware this is happening and if so, on what level?
I can attest that I’ve seen Cujo quietly shush away concerns in private with one of the Greystorm people, who seemed to have a pretty open reign on the game for a time. Maybe it’s all about the Kora faction. I don’t know. But it does seem his MO to try to talk privately about concerns. And then nothing happens.
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@Polk Except for the part where he’s been caught going dark and watching people TS, you mean?
That’s not a lack of social skills. A lack of social skills would be him barging into the room visible and ripping open a bag of microwave popcorn before saying, “Don’t mind me.”
This was someone specifically setting himself invisible then sneaking into someone’s closet to watch them hook up with their boyfriend.
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@Jennkryst said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
(:Public:) Ax (A) is curious what Kasia/Zephyr did that was bad enough to have not only her, but those people associated with her get their alts destroyed and their primary characters (some of who were on vacation) sent to the Old Guard Lounge and @passworded? Is that the new standard of dealing with people who investigate claims of sexual harassment here? Burn them and their associates? I’m just curious
(:Public:) Cujo
says, “Ax, you don’t care about any of those things.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “If you did, you’d put in a request to talk privately.”
(:Public:) Cujo says, “But you didn’t do that, you posted it publicly because you want to make a huge show of things.”
(:Public:) Cujo sayz, “So now you’re banned from this channel, well done.”DO NOT SPEAK OUT, OR YOU WILL BE SILENCED, etc etc. Shocker.
holy shit
No, there’s no saving this. If you support this type of admin response you are an unsafe and untrustworthy staffer.
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i’m gonna take a shot for 64bitjedi showing up, but i am also going to call a bet and take a shot that he’s now gone.
realized he couldn’t spin the narrative in anyway to make himself the ‘good guy’, and dipped.
rip to a homie. we’ll remember you. have fun on your game filled with sex pests.
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@RedShoes said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
They were deemed to be ill-timed jokes, at worst
LOCKER ROOM TALK.
Cujo and Hadrix should be shunned from any other place they ever try to play on. And shot into the sun for good measure.
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@Warma-Sheen said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
When the people who will defend others leave a space, that space gets worse. People need to know there is someone they can report this stuff to.
If this thread is the first time you’re hearing most of these complaints, then people do not know or believe there is someone that can report this stuff to.
Which is the only reason I’m here trying.
Let me get this straight. Your goal here is to make people understand that you will be their advocate, and that’s why your first post was to say you never played on some other game we’re not really even talking about? That’s why you haven’t reached out to anyone who’s made an accusation and offered to listen? That’s why your tone has been pedantic and defensive? That’s why when people ask what you’re doing, you answer in the vaguest possible terms that could not possibly provide any comfort or confidence to the people who have been hurt on your game?
I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually believe you’re here to let victims of your game know they’re safe in your hands, but even if you believe it, the level of thoughtlessness and incompetence you are displaying is unconscionable. You are so bad at the thing you claim to want to do that you are actively doing harm to your own purported cause. You seriously need to step out of that role immediately until you have done hard research into how to talk to victims of sexual harassment.
I suppose me telling you this obligates me to give you a crash course on the topic, but I am much too tired to deal with it and too flabbergasted to do so with any degree of good faith.
If this is how you treat people who are trying to help, I can start to understand why no one tries to help.
I don’t know anyone in this situation very well. But what I do know is that no one on staff over there but @64bitjedi is offering anything but a giant wall of IGNORE or denials for the situation.
Even if the help is shitty (which I don’t think that it is, especially considering that he has had no obligation to try to help or explain anything or make anyone feel better and was specifically told not to but chose to do it anyway) it is still more help than anyone else has gotten. And instead of building on that, you just want to unload all your anger on this person.
If you’re trying to make him go away so that you can continue to scream/complain into the void without any possibility of anything ever improving, then keep it up, you are definitely off to a good start.
But personally, I’d suggest going another route and actually trying to work with the person that is trying to work with you.
@helvetica said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@64bitjedi You can’t just be here. Games don’t function without coders. You’re someone with influence on that game, and you are being presented with the opportunity to no longer support someone who is demonstratively not interested in changing their deeply troubling behavior. No amount of placating language is going to change that.
If he’s someone with influence on that game how does it help to remove himself from the game? You have someone that has the power to change things and you ask them to give up all that power and leave it to the people who are doing all the bad things? That doesn’t make any sense… except…
It definitely helps all the hurt/angry people that would like to see the place fail as revenge, but it doesn’t actually help the game itself in any way.
So what really is the goal? Improving the situation or scorched earth revengery?
Scorched earth revengery? I’m just trying to help dude out not look like an asshole. There’s no saving that game without a new headwiz.
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@GF said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
I ask this seriously, not rhetorically: who cares one way or the other if the game fails? So what? Why should we prioritize the health of the game over the health of the people hurt by its staff and players?
This is the same dude who galloped in here to shill for a giant corporation with a cartoonishly evil plan, suggested our priority should be to think of all of those poor, poor statistically insignificant victims of false SA reports rather than the victims themselves, and described everything happening in this thread as “screaming into the void,” just to specifically call out some of his atrociously bad takes after the MSB split.
He’s been a mediocre toxic presence ever since WORA to my recollection, I honestly think he just comes over here to troll us, and I don’t suggest you ask him anything in seriousness.
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@Meg said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
i’m gonna take a shot for 64bitjedi showing up, but i am also going to call a bet and take a shot that he’s now gone.
I would never admit to playing a game that actually posted this.
@RedShoes said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
A ban is possible for him, for everyone if they become an active burden upon the playerbase, and the game’s health.
I’d go back underground and pretend it wasn’t me. That is the coldest shit I’ve ever seen from a staffer.
“It’s fine, he’s not harassing anyone important right now.”
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@DarthSmegma said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
@Pavel Yeah, sure. And now on AoA only NEW players can be Mandalorians. No existing players can go grab some beskar armor and pestering everyone.
Except that’s not ENTIRELY true. Apparently the posted rule was bent recently to allow Colo Nell to convert despite being past the thirty day ‘new character’ limit listed in the rules.
Colo Nell is the IC boyfriend of a a Kora, and that Kora is one of the new staffers that was brought in alongside Hadrix. The rules are bent for insiders. Nobody else would have been allowed this, of course.
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@SpilledBeanz Come join us at Manbro Wars: Age of Kora! New coded feature coming this Summer… EVERYONE ELSE STARTS THE GAME AS A SEX SLAVE!
Oh, and also there’s some vaguely Star Wars-like stuff too, if you’re into that.
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Seriously, though. I don’t think I have seen a more fucking weaselly response in…ever?
@RedShoes said in Star Wars Age of Alliances: Hadrix and Cujo:
All sexual harassment claims are taken seriously though, and if deemed valid, and actively a serious burden, then expect that player to get banned.
Oh, it’s not enough that it is “valid,” a claim also has the mountain to climb of proving that is actively a serious burden.
I just…what. Actively a “serious” burden. So, what, people who aren’t harassing…enough(???) just skate on by, according to that standard.
It can’t be said often enough, fuck that dude.
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@Wizz ‘and actively a serious burden for Cujo or his besties’
