Numetal/Retromux
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@Cygnus Christ on a Cracker. Did I say anything about any of that in my posts? No. Read. Go back, re-read. Maybe give it a third just for comprehension. You’re so desperate to have your villain that you’re flailing and it’s just sad now.
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@Wyrmsign TF are you on about? You just insinuated that you saw all this as it was happening. You did not have the full context, full stop – unless you did, in which case staff was sharing it as it happened in real time to players inside your clique while ignoring the bad behavior of players like Eddie et all. Which yeah, that’s a super deep and problematic thing if it did happen.
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@Cygnus I saw your shit behavior. I am commenting on your shit behavior. You said Seph was lying about everything. I am saying he is not. I gave examples of personally witnessed shit behavior. You’re trying so hard to make this into some sort of grand conspiracy now and it’s not. Your pc sucked the life out of scenes he was in, behaved ridiculously and you were an ass on your way out. Do I /really/ have to recap the points I made? Can you not scroll up?
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@Wyrmsign Sephiroth said with his full chest that Eddie has never been reported as a sex pest. I showed, with a receipt, that this isn’t true. Other people in this thread have also mentioned their issue with Eddie.
I also went point by point and showed receipts that proved otherwise for each of Sephiroth’s lies. So what you are saying here doesn’t mean squat to me because unless you have receipts of things that don’t exist, you’re trying to protect a problematic game, and protect problematic players. That shit is gross and is why RetroMUX is a bad place to play. And judging from the stories about RL, game jumping harassment by OTHER posters – and including the harassment on the discord I experienced – I am not even close to alone in this.
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Every once in awhile I miss being staff/ST on a WoD place but dealing with people like this reminds me why I actually do not.
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@Cygnus Cool story. I’m saying the stuff he said about /you/ is true. There are many witnesses, there are logs after logs of scenes you made all about Vincent, holding people virtually hostage because they were there for plot but you had other plans. People came back to the sphere when they found out you were gone. But you’ve made it clear you’ll do anything you can to drag attention off of that, up to and including pretending it didn’t happen. I’m not a therapist, not going to be bothered dealing with that level of delusion and deflection.
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@Wyrmsign You’re deflecting all of the OOC bullshit that happened because you didn’t like what my character did ICly. Sorry you didn’t like him, but I literally do not care about what you think about Vincent the PC.
I guarantee you, for every player that ‘came back when I left’ (I wasn’t even playing outside casual scenes for the last three months because I almost kicked the bucket), there are 10 who left because of awful staff and the platforming of OOC harassment.
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@Wyrmsign Sephiroth lied about how I got the character, lied about how I chose to leave the game, lied about Eddie’s mass reports, lied about how I introduced myself in multiple spheres, (and so did you, by saying I was a self-professed spy), lied about his OWN IC/OOC conflicts, lied about trans people getting outed, lied about extra XP, and so much more. These were all lies about OOC things.
I’m fully aware Vincent was a jackass. But I didn’t deserve the harassment, or the lies.
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@Wyrmsign But yeah, go off about my CHARACTER being an asshole IC, which you are using as a justification of the continuous harassment and lies about me the PLAYER. Ignore the super secret discord where staffers go to talk shit to their favorites, the favoritism, and the unyielding platforming of an abusive player that all happened OOC. That’s all fine because my character didn’t want to play nice, I suppose.
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@Cygnus No but I will go off about you continuing to try and deflect away from the point: You behaved badly when you didn’t get what you wanted. And now there are cookies waiting for me, and I am out of fucks to give for one day.
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@Wyrmsign said in Numetal/Retromux:
You behaved badly when you didn’t get what you wanted.
Show receipts like I did. I’ll wait.
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@dvoraen The problem is everyone here is sorta right, at least a little bit, from what I’ve seen of Vamp staff over there. There’s just a whole torrent of sewage around any decent points being made that it’s hardly worth looking into it.
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Is it normal to view unpleasant, controversial or “dumb” in-character behaviour this negatively? If a character causes trouble, is that considered subversive to the community or even rude? Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?
I’m seeing why this character might have been a problem to other characters, but I guess I don’t see why that means the OOC actor was a problem. Seems like a lot of bleed.
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@Juniper said in Numetal/Retromux:
Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?
Yes and no. If all your character does is cause trouble and act like an unpleasant dumbass, that’s boring. Which is honestly the worst kind of thing a character can be.
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@Juniper said in Numetal/Retromux:
Is it normal to view unpleasant, controversial or “dumb” in-character behaviour this negatively? If a character causes trouble, is that considered subversive to the community or even rude? Is disruption and conflict not the bread and butter of telling stories together?
I’m seeing why this character might have been a problem to other characters, but I guess I don’t see why that means the OOC actor was a problem. Seems like a lot of bleed.
There’s an issue, particularly with themes that have behavioral expectations that should be commonly understood among characters, where someone who plays a character who is relentless in breaking those expectations (especially in big, public events that are typically used to create touchbases for the IC group and convey plot) becomes disruptive and unpleasant no matter how pleasant the person is OOC.
Because everyone is forced to stop doing the things they came to the game to do and deal with this character’s bullshit. Once, that can be an interesting change of pace - a character having a genuine dispute or hard moment pushing against expectations of conformity. But when someone does it every single time, and particularly when it’s the same character every single time, it becomes clear that the player just desperately craves being the center of attention and holding the rest of the game effectively hostage until they’re satisfied. Or until they receive those “IC consequences” they usually claim to crave, only to then shift their temper tantrums to how they didn’t expect the consequences, the consequences aren’t fair, how no one understands their deep and complex character, and how if someone had just taken the time to understand the character everything would have been so good, how none of this is their fault, and usually some parting shots about ‘snowflakes’ and ‘roll players not role players’ before they go sulking off into the wilderness…or make a new character to try and pull the same shit again.
It’s just something that a whole lot of MU* players have seen over and over and over again. So as soon as someone says, “Oh, I’m playing a difficult character,” or “I’m playing a character who will spark a lot of RP for others,” there’s sort of a full-body shudder and a lot of us think not this bullshit again.
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@Pyrephox IT’S WHAT MY CHARACTER WOULD DO!!1
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I think my favorite part about all of this is how this person’s character couldn’t be a Mary Sue because he’s a MAN WRITTEN BY A MAN!!! or something. IDK, this is all ridiculous.
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@Pyrephox said in Numetal/Retromux:
So as soon as someone says, “Oh, I’m playing a difficult character,” or “I’m playing a character who will spark a lot of RP for others,” there’s sort of a full-body shudder and a lot of us think not this bullshit again.
It’s an immediate source of bleed for a lot of people even without any actual RP, especially the difficult character thing. The sparks RP people are probably 30/30/40 in my experience with the first 30 percent representing characters that actually do spark a lot of enjoyable RP for others, the second 30 percent being people who say that about their characters and then nothing happens at all, while the 40 percent are characters that basically create RP that nobody enjoys other than themselves, which I believe this Vincent that @Cygnus created falls into.
That said, from all of the stuff said over the past few days, it feels like the staff that were directly involved in the situation mishandled it so badly they basically had no choice but to pull the character because they missed all the chances to work with the players to repair the situation while that was still a possibility.
The staff also seems to have mishandled a situation with a harasser because the target of the harassment was another player that had built up a lot of bad blood (whether intentional or not). One player’s bad situation does not validate another’s bad actions.
