MU Peeves Thread

STD

There was a specific subgroup of folks on owod changeling places that loved to have magical twins, but after a few games that wasn’t enough so magical triplets started to happen. I never saw it pushed past that into higher higher order multiples clearly no one was hardcore enough.

This… is so strange to me. I think I recall that in the oWoD Changeling book it specifically mentions that Changelings having kids tends to be terrible.

Some Changelings think that having kids just gets them these effortless Glamour production machines, but in reality what generally happens is that the parents have to give up their own dreams to take care of the kid. So most Changelings who have kids end up quickly becoming Grumps or outright falling to the Mists.

Either that, or they get a visit from Child Protective Services and suddenly have to deal with the entirety of Banal bureaucracy landing on their heads. And that, in turn, might invite the notice of less savory Prodigals.

Basically, taking care of kids is really, really difficult and a responsibility you can’t shirk without inviting ever greater scrutiny and headaches.

But I guess those folks who engaged in magical multiple births just ignored the consequences.

Pavel

@STD said in MU Peeves Thread:

So most Changelings who have kids end up quickly becoming Grumps

Literally the most accurate thing any WoD book has ever suggested.

GF

@STD You are really kind of making me want to play a manic pixie dream mama. But I suppose that’s really just Mary Poppins, isn’t it?

mietze

yes, it was very much a case of ignoring that in favor of picking out the flavors for the magical babies and yes not reading the theme/source material.

No, I don’t really understand the appeal, but there are things I like that other people are like lol what. But at least usually they’re things in the lore/source that fascinated me while being boring/horrifying to others!

Roz

@STD said in MU Peeves Thread:

@mietze said in MU Peeves Thread:

There was a specific subgroup of folks on owod changeling places that loved to have magical twins, but after a few games that wasn’t enough so magical triplets started to happen. I never saw it pushed past that into higher higher order multiples clearly no one was hardcore enough.

This… is so strange to me. I think I recall that in the oWoD Changeling book it specifically mentions that Changelings having kids tends to be terrible.

i haven’t done owod but all i really know of owod is that it was illegal for anyone to have sex with anyone else

helvetica

@Roz Well, WoD has certainly made up for lost time, now.

Jennkryst

@STD Oh its weirder than that. Changeling do not age while they are in the Dreaming and/or Freeholds. So it is totally possible your Kinain child has grown older than you.

They can learn Arts and Realms, too, and since they are immune to cold iron, why not make faerie bargains with them to help fite the bad things?

… incidentally, this could also be why Changelings hook up with Kinain, to have a ‘real’ parent around while they are out playing pretend with the others.

Or, if you want to look at it in a less Unseelie way, Commoners do the ‘village to raise a child’ approach, and Nobles do Lords and Ladies ‘have the help raise the child for me’ thing.

Roz

@helvetica said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz Well, WoD has certainly made up for lost time, now.

oh no the second thing i know about oWoD is that they still fucked anyways

Pavel

@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

@helvetica said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz Well, WoD has certainly made up for lost time, now.

oh no the second thing i know about oWoD is that they still fucked anyways

Except Vampires. Vampires can’t have sex.

Jennkryst

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

@helvetica said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz Well, WoD has certainly made up for lost time, now.

oh no the second thing i know about oWoD is that they still fucked anyways

Except Vampires. Vampires can’t have sex.

Laughs in Vicissitude

Truly, between Tzimisce Fleshcraft and Lasombra Shadow Henticles, the Camarilla just hated on the Sabbat because the Cam was full of prudes.

Tez

@Pavel said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

@helvetica said in MU Peeves Thread:

@Roz Well, WoD has certainly made up for lost time, now.

oh no the second thing i know about oWoD is that they still fucked anyways

Except Vampires. Vampires can’t have sex.

@Roz said in MU Peeves Thread:

> oh no the second thing i know about oWoD is that they still fucked anyways

Pavel

@Tez Shush, I was just completing this line for “Talking About WoD Bingo.”

Gashlycrumb

@hellfrog said in MU Peeves Thread:

it’s just a lot. IME when you need to legislate something for OOC/game reasons, it’s best to use a light hand. And when people start to try to logic around it, you can just say 'please handwave this, we just don’t want to deal with it".

This. And really. Please do.

“You can’t do that for IC reason A,” tends to make me look for an IC work-around, and by the time I realise I’m being told “Don’t go there,” I’ve already frustrated and annoyed somebody by coming up with and elaborating on seven stupid ways to get around A and two clever ones.

“We don’t want to go there and I can help you with some IC excuses for that, such as A,” seems easier on everybody.

allthecookies

I… I can’t stop reading it…

The referenced hog pit ovulation expert thread…

I… wow, lol. It hurts, but I can’t stop.

Popcorn

Cobalt

@allthecookies I had to stop after about five pages? It was just wow. Ortallus must be a peach in real life to deal with.

allthecookies

@Cobalt

Yeah it was getting really really nasty and I had to stop too. What a piece of work.

STD

@GF said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD You are really kind of making me want to play a manic pixie dream mama. But I suppose that’s really just Mary Poppins, isn’t it?

There are many ways to play such a concept. One of my favorite Changeling characters was a Seelie Redcap babysitter who specialized in problem children. One night with her and they WOULD eat their vegetables. Terror, properly applied, could be a force for good!

Just ignore the life-long psychological trauma that results.

@mietze said in MU Peeves Thread:

yes, it was very much a case of ignoring that in favor of picking out the flavors for the magical babies and yes not reading the theme/source material.

No, I don’t really understand the appeal, but there are things I like that other people are like lol what. But at least usually they’re things in the lore/source that fascinated me while being boring/horrifying to others!

Eh, that’s fair enough. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Though I get the feeling that these magic babies were foist on others’ RP as a sort of accessory that one was expected to coo and awe over. I mean, a character can ignore or disparage a Treasure, but who would do the same to a wee babe who is just overflowing with Glamour! PRAISE ME FOR BEING KNOCKED UP!

@Jennkryst said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD Oh its weirder than that. Changeling do not age while they are in the Dreaming and/or Freeholds. So it is totally possible your Kinain child has grown older than you.

Yeah, that’s true. I think I vaguely remember something like that being mentioned in either the Changeling mainbook or maybe one of Kith books (Sidhe, maybe? They have a much more… ethereal understanding of time as it is).

They can learn Arts and Realms, too, and since they are immune to cold iron, why not make faerie bargains with them to help fite the bad things?

Heh. Logical, I suppose. Though I would think there is a huge danger of them running in horror from the Things in the Dreaming and becoming Dauntain.

… incidentally, this could also be why Changelings hook up with Kinain, to have a ‘real’ parent around while they are out playing pretend with the others.

That’s… actually a good point. Foist the maintence of the Glamour machine off on someone who “isn’t as important” and go about your Changeling way.

Or, if you want to look at it in a less Unseelie way, Commoners do the ‘village to raise a child’ approach, and Nobles do Lords and Ladies ‘have the help raise the child for me’ thing.

Less Unseelie, perhaps, but certainly still shady as fuck.

Changelings are kinda jerks. A lot of people fail to understand that Changelings – and the Fae they come from – are alien MONSTERS who simply don’t think like humans. Humanity didn’t develop Banality just to be assholes; the Fae of old horrifically abused their powers (though one could make the claim that they didn’t have the free will to be anything other than their natures) and humanity responded by trying to force the chaotic nature of these creatures into some semblance of orderly understanding.

That orderly understanding just got tighter and tighter as the ages passed.

In short: Humanity did nothing wrong!

somasatori

@STD Always here for quality Changeling: The Dreaming discussions. Mentally I have largely moved on to The Lost, but Dreaming always holds a special place in my heart.

Changelings are, indeed, terrible people. This comes from the whole orange/blue morality that comes from being Fae.

One thing that I rarely have seen on CtD games was a discussion of class politics. A lot of players play it off like the Accordance War wasn’t that big of a deal, and that most commoners are basically ‘ho-hum, this is how things are.’ I get that it’s not all Changeling players who play it like this (though as the former Changeling wiz on Metro 2, there was a significant majority), but there’s definitely some good quality story to be mined there. The commoners who existed during the interregnum still instituted a form of feudalism, but I would imagine that was starting to give way in certain demesnes, especially since they are often driven by human trends and desires.

Anyway, agreed: humanity did nothing wrong!

Coin

@somasatori said in MU Peeves Thread:

@STD Always here for quality Changeling: The Dreaming discussions. Mentally I have largely moved on to The Lost, but Dreaming always holds a special place in my heart.

Changelings are, indeed, terrible people. This comes from the whole orange/blue morality that comes from being Fae.

One thing that I rarely have seen on CtD games was a discussion of class politics. A lot of players play it off like the Accordance War wasn’t that big of a deal, and that most commoners are basically ‘ho-hum, this is how things are.’ I get that it’s not all Changeling players who play it like this (though as the former Changeling wiz on Metro 2, there was a significant majority), but there’s definitely some good quality story to be mined there. The commoners who existed during the interregnum still instituted a form of feudalism, but I would imagine that was starting to give way in certain demesnes, especially since they are often driven by human trends and desires.

Anyway, agreed: humanity did nothing wrong!

People’s unwillingness to buy into the blue-and-orange morality of WoD/CofD characters in general is often one of the biggest hurdles when it comes to running a game in those settings as written.

ten

not being able to tell
if it’s a REAL human face
as a played-by,
or created by AI.