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Why is Pack closing?

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    Pavel @Tez
    last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 03:15

    @Tez said in Why is Pack closing?:

    @Pavel It does seem to work, actually! Just made Roz be a test monkey.

    Huh, neat. I don’t think it used to.

    He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
    BE AN ADULT

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      mietze @Cobalt
      last edited by mietze 3 Jul 2023, 04:05 7 Mar 2023, 04:04

      I never played on the game but when I was looking at it I thought the policies and theme were very clear FWIW!

      I do think there’s a chunk of people who just ignore and do what they want and then claim But I Didn’t Know.

      Like in a certain game that makes it very clear there’s no prostitutes there would still be people putting that in their backgrounds talking about it like at least a couple of years later.

      Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

      And a lot of the time the people doing that are the problem people go figure!

      So I wouldn’t at all chalk this up to policies not being clear necessarily. I’ve just known far too many people that are purposefully ignorant, flout very clear policies, ect.

      I do think sometimes folks are too nice about letting “nice, non problematic” people slip a bit (though most of the time those folks are problematic too just not to the same degree) but I also think that being overly draconian also seems to not solve them problem either.

      Well, fuck. I don’t know. 😞

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        Third Eye @mietze
        last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 04:52

        @mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

        Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

        The amount of theme-correction I felt like I had to do when staffing on Battlestar Galactica games about this, to people who claimed to be fans of the show…idk. I do not know. I def agree people will just play the thing they want to play and ignore what the game actually is often enough, and they aren’t worth worrying about until they bring other players along for the ride (which is an aggravating amount of the time).

        I want something else to get me through this
        Semi-charmed kinda life, baby, baby
        I want something else, I'm not listening when you say good-bye

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          helvetica @Third Eye
          last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 04:54

          @Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

          @mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

          full gender equity

          theme-correction

          out the airlock

          Street Cred

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            SpaceKhomeini @Third Eye
            last edited by SpaceKhomeini 3 Jul 2023, 12:31 7 Mar 2023, 05:22

            @Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

            @mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

            Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

            The amount of theme-correction I felt like I had to do when staffing on Battlestar Galactica games about this, to people who claimed to be fans of the show…idk. I do not know. I def agree people will just play the thing they want to play and ignore what the game actually is often enough, and they aren’t worth worrying about until they bring other players along for the ride (which is an aggravating amount of the time).

            Just blow them up in the fucking tubes

            The other lesson here:

            “Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

            I woke up feeling so good, I think I’d better call in sick/ I need a personal trainer to help me hold my drink
            I plan to be spontaneous next time we meet/I’m putting off procrastinating until next week
            I’ll get onto it when I give a shit

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              L. B. Heuschkel @Pyrephox
              last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 08:53

              @Pyrephox said in Why is Pack closing?:
              fluffy consent games about My Little Ponies.
              .
              I feel called out, somehow. XD

              Any pronouns. Come to Chincoteague. We have ponies. http://keys.aresmush.com

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                BloodAngel @Cobalt
                last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 11:32

                @Cobalt Fuck that person! You did the right thing! You rule

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                  Cobalt
                  last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:31

                  I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

                  The audacity.

                  Cobalt@Under the Stars
                  cob.alt@Discord
                  Cobalt#3811@mas.to

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                    Tez Administrators @Cobalt
                    last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:38

                    @Cobalt I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck?

                    she/they

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                      Roz @Cobalt
                      last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:38

                      @Cobalt wtffffffffffffff

                      I’d say name and shame her over where she haunts, but I wouldn’t actually wish that experience upon you.

                      she/her | playlist

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                        Testament @Cobalt
                        last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:44

                        @Cobalt said in Why is Pack closing?:

                        I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

                        The audacity.

                        Excuse me?

                        This definitely reads like theft. Literally stealing someone else’s database and theme even if it’s making a copy without permission or consent from the creator.

                        Now that’s a new low.

                        I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                          hellfrog @Roz
                          last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:45

                          @Roz nobody needs that kinder, more thoughtful discourse in their life

                          fr fr
                          (she/her)

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                            KarmaBum @Cobalt
                            last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 18:47

                            @Cobalt Are they asking someone to send them a copy of the wiki archive?

                            https://thepack.aresmush.com/wiki-archive <-- this thing?

                            It’s not the same thing as a copy of the database. It just includes logs, characters, etc.

                            Which is still shady to be asking for on a game from which you were banned, but it’s all public-facing info.

                            On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                              Cobalt
                              last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 19:01

                              @KarmaBum No.

                              So, a person came to me and said “a group of us were talking and we were wondering if you would give us a copy of the db”

                              I said, sure with some conditions. I would need full transparency on who would be taking over so people would have time to opt out and have their data removed from the game.

                              Turns out the loudest voice in the group was Machakenzie. I said “yeah, no, I would just remove every single character, log, and player build before I let anyone have it if she’s involved” because I’m not about to let her have access to people’s ip.

                              I made a post on the game saying if someone wanted it, it’d be will be there would be some strings attached. And I’m not sure if posted this part or not but after discussing it on the ares discord came to the decision that it would be more work than I wanted to do to expunge the dB sufficiently to hand it over. So instead I would just help someone install my config files that don’t have anyone’s info on them onto their own game.

                              In the meantime, I got a message that Mackenzie was asking the original person about it to get an expunged version of the dB. At which point said person gave me a heads up and said “I don’t want to be in the middle of this anymore”.

                              Cobalt@Under the Stars
                              cob.alt@Discord
                              Cobalt#3811@mas.to

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                                IoleRae
                                last edited by IoleRae 3 Jul 2023, 19:07 7 Mar 2023, 19:04

                                Disgusting.

                                Her behavior disgusts me.

                                Please remember the part she had in the split between MSB and BMD.

                                the entity previously known as Sunny

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                                  KarmaBum @Cobalt
                                  last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 19:07

                                  @Cobalt lordy, just when it feels like it can’t go any lower 😐

                                  Just from my own past experience? Don’t give away your DB. Don’t let someone take it over. We did that with GH, and I regret that decision big-time. Stuff only got worse, and - even though I publicly walked away - there’s still a sense of responsibility. And people who still think I was responsible for shit that I had no control over.

                                  If they love it so much, let them make an homage.

                                  On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                                    IoleRae @KarmaBum
                                    last edited by IoleRae 3 Jul 2023, 19:09 7 Mar 2023, 19:08

                                    @KarmaBum

                                    Seconding this. Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend Cobalt share anything. Given who it is that wants it, no.

                                    You have no responsibility to facilitate her abusing people.

                                    the entity previously known as Sunny

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                                      Snackness
                                      last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 19:09

                                      Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

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                                        Pavel @IoleRae
                                        last edited by 7 Mar 2023, 19:10

                                        @IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                        Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend you share anything.

                                        I can only think of one real purpose, given the relative ease of building things with Ares, and that’s archiving.

                                        I’ve often considered setting up a modest archival setup of dbs I have or acquire, just for nostalgia’s sake.

                                        He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                        BE AN ADULT

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                                          IoleRae @Pavel
                                          last edited by IoleRae 3 Jul 2023, 19:12 7 Mar 2023, 19:11

                                          @Pavel

                                          Nope, I wouldn’t recommend that. Even if the initial host of the archive is trustworthy, you have no guarantees that the person who inherits it will be, and splits of that sort of service happen a LOT in our community. There’s way too much PII involved for my comfort levels, and a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes.

                                          the entity previously known as Sunny

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