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    Why is Pack closing?

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    • helveticaH
      helvetica @Third Eye
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      @Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

      @mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

      full gender equity

      theme-correction

      out the airlock

      Street Cred

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      • SpaceKhomeiniS
        SpaceKhomeini @Third Eye
        last edited by SpaceKhomeini

        @Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

        @mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

        Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

        The amount of theme-correction I felt like I had to do when staffing on Battlestar Galactica games about this, to people who claimed to be fans of the show…idk. I do not know. I def agree people will just play the thing they want to play and ignore what the game actually is often enough, and they aren’t worth worrying about until they bring other players along for the ride (which is an aggravating amount of the time).

        Just blow them up in the fucking tubes

        The other lesson here:

        “Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

        I woke up feeling so good, I think I’d better call in sick/ I need a personal trainer to help me hold my drink
        I plan to be spontaneous next time we meet/I’m putting off procrastinating until next week
        I’ll get onto it when I give a shit

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        • L. B. HeuschkelL
          L. B. Heuschkel @Pyrephox
          last edited by

          @Pyrephox said in Why is Pack closing?:
          fluffy consent games about My Little Ponies.
          .
          I feel called out, somehow. XD

          Any pronouns. Come to Chincoteague. We have ponies. http://keys.aresmush.com

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          • BloodAngelB
            BloodAngel @Cobalt
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            @Cobalt Fuck that person! You did the right thing! You rule

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            • CobaltC
              Cobalt
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              I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

              The audacity.

              Cobalt@Under the Stars
              cob.alt@Discord
              Cobalt#[email protected]

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              • TezT
                Tez Administrators @Cobalt
                last edited by

                @Cobalt I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck?

                she/they

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                • RozR
                  Roz @Cobalt
                  last edited by

                  @Cobalt wtffffffffffffff

                  I’d say name and shame her over where she haunts, but I wouldn’t actually wish that experience upon you.

                  she/her | playlist

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                  • T
                    Testament @Cobalt
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                    @Cobalt said in Why is Pack closing?:

                    I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

                    The audacity.

                    Excuse me?

                    This definitely reads like theft. Literally stealing someone else’s database and theme even if it’s making a copy without permission or consent from the creator.

                    Now that’s a new low.

                    I don't know what I'm doing. Poke at Seven Nations sevennations.aresmush.com port 2021

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                    • hellfrogH
                      hellfrog @Roz
                      last edited by

                      @Roz nobody needs that kinder, more thoughtful discourse in their life

                      fr fr
                      (she/her)

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                      • KarmaBumK
                        KarmaBum @Cobalt
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                        @Cobalt Are they asking someone to send them a copy of the wiki archive?

                        https://thepack.aresmush.com/wiki-archive <-- this thing?

                        It’s not the same thing as a copy of the database. It just includes logs, characters, etc.

                        Which is still shady to be asking for on a game from which you were banned, but it’s all public-facing info.

                        On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                        • CobaltC
                          Cobalt
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                          @KarmaBum No.

                          So, a person came to me and said “a group of us were talking and we were wondering if you would give us a copy of the db”

                          I said, sure with some conditions. I would need full transparency on who would be taking over so people would have time to opt out and have their data removed from the game.

                          Turns out the loudest voice in the group was Machakenzie. I said “yeah, no, I would just remove every single character, log, and player build before I let anyone have it if she’s involved” because I’m not about to let her have access to people’s ip.

                          I made a post on the game saying if someone wanted it, it’d be will be there would be some strings attached. And I’m not sure if posted this part or not but after discussing it on the ares discord came to the decision that it would be more work than I wanted to do to expunge the dB sufficiently to hand it over. So instead I would just help someone install my config files that don’t have anyone’s info on them onto their own game.

                          In the meantime, I got a message that Mackenzie was asking the original person about it to get an expunged version of the dB. At which point said person gave me a heads up and said “I don’t want to be in the middle of this anymore”.

                          Cobalt@Under the Stars
                          cob.alt@Discord
                          Cobalt#[email protected]

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                          • IoleRaeI
                            IoleRae
                            last edited by IoleRae

                            Disgusting.

                            Her behavior disgusts me.

                            Please remember the part she had in the split between MSB and BMD.

                            the entity previously known as Sunny

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                            • KarmaBumK
                              KarmaBum @Cobalt
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                              @Cobalt lordy, just when it feels like it can’t go any lower 😐

                              Just from my own past experience? Don’t give away your DB. Don’t let someone take it over. We did that with GH, and I regret that decision big-time. Stuff only got worse, and - even though I publicly walked away - there’s still a sense of responsibility. And people who still think I was responsible for shit that I had no control over.

                              If they love it so much, let them make an homage.

                              On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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                              • IoleRaeI
                                IoleRae @KarmaBum
                                last edited by IoleRae

                                @KarmaBum

                                Seconding this. Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend Cobalt share anything. Given who it is that wants it, no.

                                You have no responsibility to facilitate her abusing people.

                                the entity previously known as Sunny

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                                • SnacknessS
                                  Snackness
                                  last edited by

                                  Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

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                                  • PavelP
                                    Pavel @IoleRae
                                    last edited by

                                    @IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                    Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend you share anything.

                                    I can only think of one real purpose, given the relative ease of building things with Ares, and that’s archiving.

                                    I’ve often considered setting up a modest archival setup of dbs I have or acquire, just for nostalgia’s sake.

                                    He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                    BE AN ADULT

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                                    • IoleRaeI
                                      IoleRae @Pavel
                                      last edited by IoleRae

                                      @Pavel

                                      Nope, I wouldn’t recommend that. Even if the initial host of the archive is trustworthy, you have no guarantees that the person who inherits it will be, and splits of that sort of service happen a LOT in our community. There’s way too much PII involved for my comfort levels, and a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes.

                                      the entity previously known as Sunny

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                                      • PolkP
                                        Polk @SpaceKhomeini
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                                        @SpaceKhomeini said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                        “Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

                                        I agree with this.

                                        I don’t like having a mish-mash of game staff voice, ST voice, and player voice with no way to distinguish.

                                        I get why it happens: it’s cheaper and easier just to set up one Mediawiki and throw absolutely everything on there.

                                        But if you can do otherwise, do it.

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                                        • PolkP
                                          Polk @Snackness
                                          last edited by

                                          @Snackness said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                          Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

                                          Anonymizing data is hard!

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                                          • PavelP
                                            Pavel @IoleRae
                                            last edited by

                                            @IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

                                            a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes

                                            Depends on what you’re archiving.

                                            He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                            BE AN ADULT

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