Why is Pack closing?

[mietze]

I never played on the game but when I was looking at it I thought the policies and theme were very clear FWIW!

I do think there’s a chunk of people who just ignore and do what they want and then claim But I Didn’t Know.

Like in a certain game that makes it very clear there’s no prostitutes there would still be people putting that in their backgrounds talking about it like at least a couple of years later.

Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

And a lot of the time the people doing that are the problem people go figure!

So I wouldn’t at all chalk this up to policies not being clear necessarily. I’ve just known far too many people that are purposefully ignorant, flout very clear policies, ect.

I do think sometimes folks are too nice about letting “nice, non problematic” people slip a bit (though most of the time those folks are problematic too just not to the same degree) but I also think that being overly draconian also seems to not solve them problem either.

Well, fuck. I don’t know.

[Third Eye]

@mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

The amount of theme-correction I felt like I had to do when staffing on Battlestar Galactica games about this, to people who claimed to be fans of the show…idk. I do not know. I def agree people will just play the thing they want to play and ignore what the game actually is often enough, and they aren’t worth worrying about until they bring other players along for the ride (which is an aggravating amount of the time).

[helvetica]

@Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

@mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

full gender equity

theme-correction

[SpaceKhomeini]

@Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:

@mietze said in Why is Pack closing?:

Games that say full gender equity still will have people flouting that constantly.

The amount of theme-correction I felt like I had to do when staffing on Battlestar Galactica games about this, to people who claimed to be fans of the show…idk. I do not know. I def agree people will just play the thing they want to play and ignore what the game actually is often enough, and they aren’t worth worrying about until they bring other players along for the ride (which is an aggravating amount of the time).

Just blow them up in the fucking tubes

The other lesson here:

“Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

[L. B. Heuschkel]

@Pyrephox said in Why is Pack closing?:
fluffy consent games about My Little Ponies.
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I feel called out, somehow. XD

[BloodAngel]

@Cobalt Fuck that person! You did the right thing!

[Cobalt]

I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

The audacity.

[Tez]

@Cobalt I’m sorry, but what the actual fuck?

[Roz]

@Cobalt wtffffffffffffff

I’d say name and shame her over where she haunts, but I wouldn’t actually wish that experience upon you.

[Testament]

@Cobalt said in Why is Pack closing?:

I’ve been told, this person is encouraging other people to get an expunged version of the database for them.

The audacity.

Excuse me?

This definitely reads like theft. Literally stealing someone else’s database and theme even if it’s making a copy without permission or consent from the creator.

Now that’s a new low.

[hellfrog]

@Roz nobody needs that kinder, more thoughtful discourse in their life

[KarmaBum]

@Cobalt Are they asking someone to send them a copy of the wiki archive?

https://thepack.aresmush.com/wiki-archive <-- this thing?

It’s not the same thing as a copy of the database. It just includes logs, characters, etc.

Which is still shady to be asking for on a game from which you were banned, but it’s all public-facing info.

[Cobalt]

@KarmaBum No.

So, a person came to me and said “a group of us were talking and we were wondering if you would give us a copy of the db”

I said, sure with some conditions. I would need full transparency on who would be taking over so people would have time to opt out and have their data removed from the game.

Turns out the loudest voice in the group was Machakenzie. I said “yeah, no, I would just remove every single character, log, and player build before I let anyone have it if she’s involved” because I’m not about to let her have access to people’s ip.

I made a post on the game saying if someone wanted it, it’d be will be there would be some strings attached. And I’m not sure if posted this part or not but after discussing it on the ares discord came to the decision that it would be more work than I wanted to do to expunge the dB sufficiently to hand it over. So instead I would just help someone install my config files that don’t have anyone’s info on them onto their own game.

In the meantime, I got a message that Mackenzie was asking the original person about it to get an expunged version of the dB. At which point said person gave me a heads up and said “I don’t want to be in the middle of this anymore”.

[IoleRae]

Disgusting.

Her behavior disgusts me.

Please remember the part she had in the split between MSB and BMD.

[KarmaBum]

@Cobalt lordy, just when it feels like it can’t go any lower

Just from my own past experience? Don’t give away your DB. Don’t let someone take it over. We did that with GH, and I regret that decision big-time. Stuff only got worse, and - even though I publicly walked away - there’s still a sense of responsibility. And people who still think I was responsible for shit that I had no control over.

If they love it so much, let them make an homage.

[IoleRae]

@KarmaBum

Seconding this. Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend Cobalt share anything. Given who it is that wants it, no.

You have no responsibility to facilitate her abusing people.

[Snackness]

Thirding, from a data safety perpective. Don’t give away any version of the db.

[Pavel]

@IoleRae said in Why is Pack closing?:

Honestly, in no circumstances would I recommend you share anything.

I can only think of one real purpose, given the relative ease of building things with Ares, and that’s archiving.

I’ve often considered setting up a modest archival setup of dbs I have or acquire, just for nostalgia’s sake.

[IoleRae]

@Pavel

Nope, I wouldn’t recommend that. Even if the initial host of the archive is trustworthy, you have no guarantees that the person who inherits it will be, and splits of that sort of service happen a LOT in our community. There’s way too much PII involved for my comfort levels, and a wiped DB is useless for archival purposes.

[Polk]

@SpaceKhomeini said in Why is Pack closing?:

“Don’t just let players write theme wiki.”

I agree with this.

I don’t like having a mish-mash of game staff voice, ST voice, and player voice with no way to distinguish.

I get why it happens: it’s cheaper and easier just to set up one Mediawiki and throw absolutely everything on there.

But if you can do otherwise, do it.