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    • JennkrystJ
      Jennkryst @De Villefort
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      @De-Villefort said in But Why:

      Plus one out of three women survive child birth on average so if you are married you have to live with the fact you might kill your wife every time you have sex.

      The Firan compulsion is real, innit?

      Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
      She/her

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        mietze
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        i find myself curious as to what is on @De-Villefort’s actual SciFi bookshelf. And I did not think that you really were @GF but i also wanted to point out that this dude kind of came in hot implying just that in many ways. same ‘i don’t play at this place i quit mushing years ago but why would anyone ever want to do this horrific thing that probably most of them actually aren’t doing at all but i need to score some points’, different day.

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        • WizzW
          Wizz
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          this thread kind of made my day, ty

          I have been pretty down lately but a ridiculous argument will always cheer me right up

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          • tenT
            ten @Wizz
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            @Wizz

            honestly, same.

            they | them

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            • JennJ
              Jenn @ten
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              @moth If I could eat popcorn, I would have made popcorn. Somehow, this thread evokes that same kind of ‘things are bad, but at least they aren’t THIS’ as watching Jerry Springer when you were home sick used to inspire…

              We're all mad here.

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              • Vulgar BoyV
                Vulgar Boy
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                Low-magic fantasy games allow you to wear cool outfits and fuck princesses.

                Basically, it’s the closest any of us will ever be to being Mario.

                As someone who has spent his whole life stomping turtles and hoping to grow a raccoon tail, this is close enough.

                love that perfect frown

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                • BloodAngelB
                  BloodAngel @Vulgar Boy
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                  @Vulgar-Boy claps

                  I think that might be the one to get through to him. Well done.

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                  • EvilgraysonE
                    Evilgrayson @Aria
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                    @Aria Anyone who calls Ruth Goodman as backup in a historical daily life argument gets my vote.

                    The past wasn’t as bad as we’re all led to believe. Sure, it wasn’t a bed of roses, but it wasn’t all bad.

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                      De Villefort @hellfrog
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                      @hellfrog said in But Why:

                      decolonize your bookshelf

                      Sorry, had to leave the house for an errand.
                      Suggestions?

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                        De Villefort @Vulgar Boy
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                        @Vulgar-Boy said in But Why:

                        As someone who has spent his whole life stomping turtles and hoping to grow a raccoon tail, this is close enough.

                        Now this is an answer that I can appreciate.
                        you win the internet

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                        • EvilgraysonE
                          Evilgrayson @De Villefort
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                          @De-Villefort said in But Why:

                          @STD
                          In those dark dystopias you fight the corporations to make the world a better place for everyone. In the dark ages, it was a struggle to survive just being a human.

                          Think about the fantasy genre and the themes it has.
                          Lord of the Rings - Take the ring of power, resist it’s call to make you all powerful and destroy it.
                          Game of Thrones - Kill everyone and take power for yourself.
                          Beowulf - Kill monsters and take power for yourself.
                          Robinhood - Kill the nobles and take power for yourself because you think you can do a better job.

                          It’s all about selfishness. It’s an entire genera based on the idea that getting what you want is the only important thing. You are just replacing one self-important jerk with a nicer self-important jerk and nothing ever gets better for anyone else in a dark ages fantasy. Look at Lord of the rings, all those books, all that adventure and the only thing that really changed was 1 ring got destroyed and one human village got roasted by a dragon. Then life pretty much went back to normal.

                          If this is what you took away from the fantasy genre, I pity you. If all you see about you is selfishness, then perhaps you should look beyond the mirror.

                          You know, maybe you really ought to try actually doing some reading, given that Lord of the Rings has no dragons in it and Robin Hood is actually a name attached to a legend which wasn’t actually about taking any power at all. Beowulf isn’t even fantasy, it’s an epic poem told a millennium and more ago, and Game of Thrones was a specific reaction to all the fantasy novels about honourable people with good and selfless endings.

                          Reading can broaden the mind!

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                          • AriaA
                            Aria @Evilgrayson
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                            @Evilgrayson said in But Why:

                            @Aria Anyone who calls Ruth Goodman as backup in a historical daily life argument gets my vote.

                            The past wasn’t as bad as we’re all led to believe. Sure, it wasn’t a bed of roses, but it wasn’t all bad.

                            I have an enormous soft spot for enthusiastic nerds who are just really enamoured with their area of interest and who want to share it with people in a fun and accessible way.

                            I also recommend Ben Crystal for Shakespeare lectures, Albert Lin for real life Indiana Jones-ing but with technology (with bonus representation for both the Asian and the disabled communities), and Sister Wendy for adorably wholesome art history. They are all just the cutest and I want to pinch their cheeks.

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                              De Villefort @mietze
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                              @mietze said in But Why:

                              i find myself curious as to what is on @De-Villefort’s actual SciFi bookshelf.

                              These days, mostly LitRPG books, I had a giant robot phase, a Star Trek phase, a DC/Marvel comics phase, enjoyed some of the books about the Sith in the Star Wars universe. Read the Ravenloft books. Went on an A.I. bender after I.Robot came out in theater’s.

                              Took a break from Sci-fi and read the Dragon Lance series, then the Anita Blake series. Some of the Dragons of Pern but it petered out for me. Had another cyberpunk phase and read a lot of the Cyberpunk RPG adjacent novels.

                              Some random space related sci-fi between. I like books with realistic ship combat. James Corey is a great author if you ever get a chance to pick up any of his work.

                              Most recently I switched to audio books and picked up a series called Super Powereds by Drew Hayes (It seems like a really stupid name until you read the setting of the story then it makes sense.)

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                                De Villefort @Evilgrayson
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                                @Evilgrayson
                                If Elon Musk had all his billions stolen by Jeff Bezos then raised a mercenary army of criminals to kill Bezos and steal everything he had, would you consider that a heroic story?

                                Well that’s the story of Robinhood with the names changed. He was the son of a nobleman who had all his wealth taken by the corrupt Sheriff while the king was away fighting a war. He only became an outlaw because he was suddenly poor. He didn’t give a wet squirt about the poor people until he was one of them.

                                In some versions of the story the Sheriff killed his father, in some versions he was a knight who returned from the crusades to find his home had been plundered, but the one thing that holds true is that the start of the story is rich-guy-on-rich-guy violence and the rest of the story is all about taking back what was stolen from him.

                                Disney may have romanticized it with adorable foxes but make no mistake, this was a story about a wealthy lord standing along side a band of thieves to take what they felt they were owed.

                                Even in the Disney version he didn’t start giving away money until the Sheriff started squeezing the peasants and offering high rewards for Robin’s head. His generosity was a move made out of tactical necessity, not out of kindness.

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                                • RozR
                                  Roz @De Villefort
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                                  @De-Villefort this is by far the most boring version of media analysis i encounter in the wild

                                  she/her | playlist

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                                  • PavelP
                                    Pavel @Roz
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                                    @Roz Just wait until he discovers the concept of character development.

                                    He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                    BE AN ADULT

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                                    • EvilgraysonE
                                      Evilgrayson @De Villefort
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                                      @De-Villefort said in But Why:

                                      @Evilgrayson
                                      If Elon Musk had all his billions stolen by Jeff Bezos then raised a mercenary army of criminals to kill Bezos and steal everything he had, would you consider that a heroic story?

                                      Well that’s the story of Robinhood with the names changed. He was the son of a nobleman who had all his wealth taken by the corrupt Sheriff while the king was away fighting a war. He only became an outlaw because he was suddenly poor. He didn’t give a wet squirt about the poor people until he was one of them.

                                      In some versions of the story the Sheriff killed his father, in some versions he was a knight who returned from the crusades to find his home had been plundered, but the one thing that holds true is that the start of the story is rich-guy-on-rich-guy violence and the rest of the story is all about taking back what was stolen from him.

                                      Disney may have romanticized it with adorable foxes but make no mistake, this was a story about a wealthy lord standing along side a band of thieves to take what they felt they were owed.

                                      Even in the Disney version he didn’t start giving away money until the Sheriff started squeezing the peasants and offering high rewards for Robin’s head. His generosity was a move made out of tactical necessity, not out of kindness.

                                      One version of Robin Hood is the son of a nobleman, sure - but there are many versions. Son of a nobleman plays better on TV and in movies, partly because the USA is obsessed with nobility and it panders more to modern sensibilities - but in a lot of other versions, including most (if not all) of the historical ones, he’s just some bloke, partly because his fabled weapons were not noble’s weapons.

                                      Any idiot can pick up a quarterstaff, and any idiot did. Waving it about in a reasonably-competent fashion isn’t difficult. Being good with a quarterstaff, though, that takes practice, and it’s fundamentally a peasant’s weapon. Any idiot can pick up a longbow, but if they do they’re in for a world of pain. It’s a weapon that takes decades to master, and archers were most often started in childhood. Archeologists can tell you which skeletons belong to archers because it deforms the bones. And again, the longbow is fundamentally a peasant’s weapon.

                                      And it’s Robin Hood. Robin, as in the first name. Hood, as in the garment. Robin Hood, as in a pun or play on words. There are many legends and there were probably just as many Robins because it was the John Doe name for outlaws in the day. But the legends that have come down to us are not about taking power. They’re about tweaking the noses of the powerful in what was a horrifically unjust society run on the backs of people who were tied from birth to death to their lord’s land. This was a hero of the people, as told by the people - why would they elevate one of their oppressors into legend?

                                      You can’t rely on Disney for anything. If you’ve ever read Victor Hugo’s Hunchback of Notre Dame, you’ll know exactly what I mean.

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                                      • PavelP
                                        Pavel @Evilgrayson
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                                        @Evilgrayson Besides, there’s only one true version of Robin Hood’s story.

                                        He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                                        BE AN ADULT

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                                        • helveticaH
                                          helvetica @De Villefort
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                                          @De-Villefort said in But Why:

                                          Robinhood
                                          Disney may have romanticized it with adorable foxes

                                          I had such a crush on that fox as a kid.

                                          robinhood fox

                                          Street Cred

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                                          • CoinC
                                            Coin @Evilgrayson
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                                            @Evilgrayson said in But Why:

                                            why would they elevate one of their oppressors into legend?

                                            Not that I disagree with the majority of your point, but this is a ridiculous rhetorical question, especially since, while it may not be the case for (the oldest versions of) Robin Hood, many “heroes of the people” have been nobles, elevated to legend not because they weren’t oppressors and/or part of the oppressive caste (not class, we’re talking pre-Capitalism) but because even for the poor, nobility was inherently valuable and put you in a higher moral strata.

                                            Like, come on, “why would they elevate one of their oppressors into legend”? They STILL do it. Look at Elon Musk fanboys, essentially waving pom-poms for an idiot.

                                            In Occam I trust.

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