Re: Dies Irae
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@MisterBoring Then we need a 60 Minutes-style expose on the lives of people who work for the underground TS ghostwriting ring.
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@MisterBoring said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
Well now I want to see a Karl Jobst video on how the people in the top five of the TS Speed running League actually cheated their times by getting ChatGPT to write their poses.
Don’t forget how Karl uncovers a secret discord where they were conducting illicit pay-for-TS to speed it up even further.
Pay for TS! I could use a supplemental income, so, uh…
"And the Fool says, pointing to the invertebrate fauna feeding in the graves: 'Here a monarchy reigns, mightier than you: His Majesty the Worm.'"
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@Popes said in Re: Dies Irae:
The tl’dr is that my PC, the burn out gifted kid pure breed 5 shadow lord philodox was tasked to sit in on a meeting between a packmate ahroun black fury, and the douchebag, newly fostern shadow lord philodox regarding a black fury PC cub’s education. It went about as well as one could expect. (Poorly. There was some player drama from elsewhere involved. (I love my packmates from that game, the shit that player said is all of it lies and slander and I see them on this board. You fucking know who you are.)
So I put the +job in reporting, and Scylla demanded a scene over it with all of the parties save the cub. So we went, and this guy would not fucking sit down, demanding ‘due respect’ as a fostern from a bunch of cliath. Which, to those who don’t know, is basically the college freshman telling the high school seniors to shut up and do what he says. It doesn’t work like Scylla and that fuckwad think it does. Until someone’s ass gets beat, but that’s Werewolf.
The scene went, then we started talking and, like, trying to have a productive conversation with Scylla about, you know, how Werewolf works and why we think she adjudicated incorrectly. I put my whole ass on the line, having played an Elder Philodox in a goddamn NATIONAL LARP ORG, and never losing my seat, which means I know I was doing something right because my sheet was total ass. Things got a little heated, and I just was like ‘Fuck this. You have more interest in sucking the male PC’s dick rather than listening to sense from three female PCs’ in more polite terms, then logged off and never logged in again.
Also, her ideas about how Pure Breed worked were really eugenicist and creepy in hindsight.
Dear gods.
Your PC might have been a burn out gifted kid, but your pack really weren’t in the right when it came to this particular discussion. There was player drama, sure …between some players who were convinced of what was truly a mistaken identity, and someone who hadn’t the first idea what they’d done to upset you all so much.
Without any actual evidence at all to back you up, your pack seemed to assume that one player was actually someone else, assumed the absolute worst of everything their character said and did, and actively tried to drive them off a game.
As for how rank and renown work, well, every game is different and every game’s culture is different. Sometimes it’s a college freshman telling the high school senior to shut up and sit down, but that’s rare; more often in my experience it’s a sergeant telling a private to shut up and sit down. And if the united sphere staff are saying it works like this on this game, it works like this on this game.
I don’t know about what conversations you had with Scylla, but if you’d started a conversation about how I wasn’t doing Werewolf right in my own sphere I might just be a little annoyed with you, especially after your group tried to drive someone else off the game over stuff that happened elsewhere on a game where they didn’t even have a character.
Sure, you played an Elder Philodox in a national LARP game. That and five bucks will buy me a coffee. MUs do not generally work like national LARP games. MUs don’t have to work like national LARP games. MUs usually don’t work like each other, never mind anything else. A MU’s culture is built in its first few open weeks, on the base that staff sets and regulates, and that’s how it works. Everyone takes a little while to figure out what this particular iteration does, what staff’s take on the sphere is, and runs with it. DI’s Garou sphere was much closer to the standard baseline than, say, Liberation’s. Liberation’s is just flat-out weird as far as that goes, which kept tripping some of your packmates up. Liberation’s isn’t a bad take, just weird, and not really applicable elsewhere.
As for Pure Breed - well. All I can say is that if you didn’t think it was creepy and eugenicist already, you were missing how Pure Breed is written. It’s creepy and eugenicist as fuck, and there’s not really any way to unpick that.
I’m not going to talk about Scylla; I wasn’t where she’s been accused of shit, I don’t know. But this corner? This corner I do know.
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@somasatori I support this side hustle for you and myself.
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Yeah all that Garou stuff is why I picked a Pumonca, and why I never bothered with PB. Solo cat needs no pack drama!
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@labsunlimited said in Re: Dies Irae:
Yeah all that Garou stuff is why I picked a Pumonca, and why I never bothered with PB. Solo cat needs no pack drama!
Shark life even better. Just eat fish and Formori.
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And as an aside, I’ll always prefer Forsaken for putting the Pure Breed nonsense where it belongs, firmly in the realm of antagonists. Ivory Claws are Pure Breed personified, and it’s as bad as it sounds. Just like how Fire-Touched are Children of Gaia if they’re being honest with themselves and others, and how Predator Kings are what the Red Talons really are in practice.
If someone sets up a WoD edition wars thread, I will offer my most garrulous, crusty opinions there.
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@labsunlimited The best part is 2e Forsaken even got rid of the ‘pure blood’-iness of Wolf Blooded, because anybody can spontaneously become Wolf Blooded if they crit-fail their Willpower Roll when they suffer from Lunacy. Though I would HR this to not be wolf-centric, but some kind of spiritual thingy, so that it can happen from other Changing Breeds, too.
… something to keep in mind for PyReach or Curseborne.
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@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
multiple deserialized calls to update self.db.location
I run a horror game, and that line is scarier than anything I’ve ever written.
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@Jumpscare said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
multiple deserialized calls to update self.db.location
I run a horror game, and that line is scarier than anything I’ve ever written.
I kind of need an ELI5 because I think I understand the scream-emoji worthy part, but I am not sure if I completely understand the nuance. Either way, WHY DESERIALIZED? (The all caps part is me going
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@dvoraen said in Re: Dies Irae:
I kind of need an ELI5 because I think I understand the scream-emoji worthy part, but I am not sure if I completely understand the nuance. Either way, WHY DESERIALIZED? (The all caps part is me going
)Look, y’know, it’s just like… I sincerely didn’t know what I was doing at the time and was wondering how you would write to the same attribute multiple times since it just overwrites each time. And it’s not like I wanted to append, so
when people complain about the bugs related to AI code, this is sort of where it comes from, being honest. I hadn’t taken the time to figure it out and Claude said it would be fine
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@dvoraen said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Jumpscare said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
multiple deserialized calls to update self.db.location
I run a horror game, and that line is scarier than anything I’ve ever written.
I kind of need an ELI5 because I think I understand the scream-emoji worthy part, but I am not sure if I completely understand the nuance. Either way, WHY DESERIALIZED? (The all caps part is me going
)When you look at your character sheet, you now have that information in your head. The DM says you lost 3 HP. You update the information in you head and you record it on your character sheet. The information in your head is serialized with the information on your character sheet.
The DM says your character has successfully moved from the LA Streets to the Corner Bakery. You update that information in your head but you don’t update it on your character sheet. You tell the DM that you want to say hello to the baker. The DM looks at your sheet and says that there’s no baker on the LA Streets. The information in your head is deserialized with the information on your character sheet.
The weirdest thing about this is that Evennia has a built-in method on objects called move_to(). It handles moving an object to another room. If you wanted to do more with movement, you could just extend that method.
Game-runner of Silent Heaven, a small-town horror MU.
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@Jumpscare said in Re: Dies Irae:
The weirdest thing about this is that Evennia has a built-in method on objects called move_to(). It handles moving an object to another room. If you wanted to do more with movement, you could just extend that method.
I was using teleport() lmao
or rather I was using the build command ‘teleport’ as a function within the character movement files, to be more precise.
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@somasatori I’d probably do the same if I could. I’d much rather teleport than walk.
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@Pavel said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori I’d probably do the same if I could. I’d much rather teleport than walk.
Also in my defense (something that always goes well in a R&R post), my familiarity with “bring a character to X location from Y location” was in Tiny where you use tel(%#). So when I was told we needed an OOC/IC/Hangouts command system, I said to myself “oh, surely there are teleport commands in Evennia” without actually looking at the manual for how characters are moved around the grid. Like, “oh yeah, of course you would make the system force a teleport command on this particular player to this particular location, that’s how MUSH works.”
Having Jumpscare dress me down is making a lot of this clear as to why things didn’t work! I appreciate her knowledge
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@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
Having Jumpscare dress me down is making a lot of this clear as to why things didn’t work!
I wouldn’t take it as a dressing down. She’s just a very tired teacher reaching for her third bottle of whiskey with one hand, pinching the bridge of her nose with the other, and staring at an assignment from that one child…
I’ve been there.
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@Jumpscare Welp, I had the wrong definition of serialization in my head on top of that! So that didn’t help anything.
However, isn’t Evennia’s memory model for ORM supposed to also handle updating the database when you use the attribute handler? I feel like I’m missing something as far as the “disconnect” in location is concerned. I haven’t touched Evennia stuff in a while, so likely I’m forgetting something too.
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@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
this is sort of where it comes from, being honest. I hadn’t taken the time to figure it out and Claude said it would be fine
Okay
Why did you lead off with this then?
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
From what I’ve heard other people say, and based on what was said behind my back, all I did was boil a bunch of water and churn toxic sludge out of an AI data center.
If you want to use Claude the AI, good. If you learned a lot with your experiences using Claude the AI, good. Just be honest about it upfront. These tea sipping winkyface comments early in the thread land awkwardly when there was demonstrably a major problem with AI that had a major impact on everyone’s experience with the game.
Don’t wait for someone else to have to ask into it before you go “oh, yes, I did use AI.” Just be upfront, man.
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@Ashkuri said in Re: Dies Irae:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
this is sort of where it comes from, being honest. I hadn’t taken the time to figure it out and Claude said it would be fine
Okay
Why did you lead off with this then?
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
From what I’ve heard other people say, and based on what was said behind my back, all I did was boil a bunch of water and churn toxic sludge out of an AI data center.
If you want to use Claude the AI, good. If you learned a lot with your experiences using Claude the AI, good. Just be honest about it upfront. These tea sipping winkyface comments early in the thread land awkwardly when there was demonstrably a major problem with AI that had a major impact on everyone’s experience with the game.
Don’t wait for someone else to have to ask into it before you go “oh, yes, I did use AI.” Just be upfront, man.
I did say exactly that though, in my next comment below that:
@somasatori said in Re: Dies Irae:
@catzilla said in Re: Dies Irae:
@Tez I can’t speak of the AI part, especially since @somasatori is saying/implying they didn’t use AI code… but the rest is true.
I definitely did a lot, like a LOT in the beginning, because my exposure to Python was me screwing around with a Cyberpunk RED project so when Diablerie I was trying to scramble with the tools I had available. By the end of it, I was only using Claude to consult, but the mark had been made as it were.
Edit to clarify the tea-sipping-winky-face emoji post: This was generally a reaction to the accusation that has been funneled back to me after I left staff that the entire reason why the game failed is due to AI code, which I feel was a way to scapegoat poor or inappropriate behavior as well as a general unreadiness to be staff. Primarily here I was engaging with that as a joke, because, as some of the other stories in this thread will identify, there were some serious issues at Dies Irae that were not code-related.
