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hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread
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@farfalla Absolutely. With very strict “if you’re involved, you don’t get a say” admin recusal baked right in.
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Just 'cause I’m not completely clear: is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions? Or is it limited to the “hobos got banned” situation?
Because I would like to put this thread on ignore. I’m really not interested in more screenshots from Derp’s forum or rehashing the situation; I just want distance from it. Y’all can keep talking about it, no judgment. I’d just rather not. For me.
But if this is going to be used for all future updates, it’d be awkward to have it on ignore.
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@KarmaBum said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:
is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions?
That was my intention, but I don’t see a reason not to split out each decision to its own discussion thread.
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@KarmaBum I’m in favor of a thread per situation for this reason and the reason that it would be easier to track / search. So let’s call this the Hobos & Bannings Thread … Thread.
she/they
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How about, “If you want to discuss admin action and there’s not a thread for it already, make a thread about the action as appropriate in the feedback section under X and Y parameters” as direction to your userbase? It’s not containing it as much (to the thread) but having a specific area set aside is…close? And I think it might actually end up as less work (if you don’t make a thread for an action that people don’t care enough to make a thread about, then…it doesn’t happen, right? but if YOU make the thread, people gonna people).
the entity previously known as Sunny
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@IoleRae I prefer to make the thread personally. To give the air, at least, of “no, seriously, discuss it please.”
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@GF said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:
Dude seems to think there is a polite way to demand that people relive their trauma for him so he can litigate whether or not it’s valid, and that refusing to grant him that authority over their lives victimizes him. That makes him a danger, because he can’t see other people as existing outside of what he wants from them.
Give him a second chance in a week if you want to, but I’m getting major “ladies, don’t take a drink from him” vibes.
Look, the ban was fair, but implying that I’m a rapist is not fair. I wrote this huge angry post about my entire life story but thankfully I was temp banned and couldn’t post it. In short, I’m not a rapist, and you all acting like I am one and talking about the ‘trauma responses’ of my ‘victims’ … makes me doubt that every actual predator that you all have dogpiled in this hobby is even a predator at all. Considering some of the predatory behavior I’ve seen and heard of from some of you, and from those you protect by completely ignoring their abuses, it obviously has less to do with behavior and more to do with where friendship/convenience falls. If you want people to listen to you, you’re going to have to be more fair and less biased.
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@hobos said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:
… makes me doubt that every actual predator that you all have dogpiled in this hobby is even a predator at all.
Nope. We are not doing this today. I understand you are upset and I am not validating their comments about you. However, we are not going to go down the road you are steering. Please just don’t. As a person who dealt with one of these people, don’t invalidate my experience because you are angry at someone or something said to you.
Please just don’t.
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Okay, fair enough.
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We had a lot of fun together. I vouched for you a lot, and kept your stories alive as long as I could in-game, well past their expiration date or even after your ban; past the time that it was wise to have done so.
You go all in on things.
You’re currently all in on the complete wrong thing. Again.
You can’t see it right now, but I hope you do eventually. I don’t see eye to eye with everyone here on everything they talk about, and even I agree that you’re being fleeced.
She sucks, dude.
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@hobos said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:
it obviously has less to do with behavior and more to do with where friendship/convenience falls
Look in the mirror for once.
Please.
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To me, a game runner exploiting a player for TS is pretty much always going to be worse than someone lying about who they are on the interwebs.
But that judgment seems like it’s about convenience and friendship to you, somehow?
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@hobos ok, here is my question. Why do you keep making this a replacement, a substitution? If Apos is so awful and you have proof, why don’t you start a thread on him?
Why do you insist on making this a distraction from VulgarKitten? We are never going to focus simply on Apos as an excuse for what she did, or instead of what she did, or to distract from what she did. We can, however, talk about other creeps.
Stop tying it to VulgarKitten/Monique. Stop excusing her behavior.
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@Meg said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:
Stop tying it to VulgarKitten/Monique. Stop excusing her behavior.
VulgarKitten/Monique/hella
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@hobos you and Hella falsely accusing someone of sexual exploitation does actual harm to people who are truly victims of this kind of behavior.
I hope you can see past your spite and realize that, and stop perpetuating it.
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@hobos said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:
To me, a game runner exploiting a player for TS is pretty much always going to be worse than someone lying about who they are on the interwebs.
We can complain about both.
“This person was lying on the internet and here is where we discuss them”
“Yeah, but THIS person exploited players so we should talk about that!”Sure, we should talk about such accusations. Make a thread.
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@Meg
Because VK lied so that she could avoid the previous dynamic with Apostate, and the dynamic with Corban & his friends, who she had the NCO against in the first place, and who approached her first. I’m not excusing her behavior, just pointing back to the reason why, which again is far more weighty to me.@hellfrog
… ? You upvoted the comment implying I was a rapist, didn’t you? Now you’re worried about “false accusations”? Amidst all the righteous hubbub over the person who lied about who she was on the internet there have been plenty among you who have side-wise corroborated this particular accusation.Anyway I’m not going to make a thread. If I can manage it, I’m not going to come back here and post on this topic again either. Believe it or not, it makes me feel sick to talk about and I’m not interested in maligning Apostate. Despite everything I still have a lot of admiration for him, which is perfectly possible to coexist with these claims, in a toxic homebrew that reminds me of my relationship with my father … anyway, bye. It’s yours to deal with however you will. (Probably continued ignoring of game runner abuse and commenting about how terrible VK is and how you get rapist vibes from me.)
