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    • PavelP
      Pavel @farfalla
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      @farfalla said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

      @Pavel Okay. I just want to make sure we don’t end up repeating “I just made up this rule” “what? that’s not a rule” “straight to jail.”

      Definitely, it’s something we’re all exceptionally keen to avoid. But we also want to retain the… authority, I guess, to draw a line under things when it becomes unhealthy.

      We all know of at least one discussion on WORA or MSB or wherever that just dragged on to the point of being a headache that could’ve easily been solved had someone said “okay, back to your corners fighters, new round in ten.”

      He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
      BE AN ADULT

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      • farfallaF
        farfalla @Pavel
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        @Pavel I don’t disagree! I’m just advocating for that to be codified.

        as previously stated, good day.

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        • PavelP
          Pavel @farfalla
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          @farfalla Absolutely. With very strict “if you’re involved, you don’t get a say” admin recusal baked right in.

          He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
          BE AN ADULT

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          • KarmaBumK
            KarmaBum
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            Just 'cause I’m not completely clear: is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions? Or is it limited to the “hobos got banned” situation?

            Because I would like to put this thread on ignore. I’m really not interested in more screenshots from Derp’s forum or rehashing the situation; I just want distance from it. Y’all can keep talking about it, no judgment. I’d just rather not. For me.

            But if this is going to be used for all future updates, it’d be awkward to have it on ignore.

            On Dragon Wings · https://pern.gaslightswitch.com · pern.gaslightswitch.com port 4201

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            • PavelP
              Pavel @KarmaBum
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              @KarmaBum said in Admin Actions Discussion Thread:

              is this the one thread for all future admin actions discussions?

              That was my intention, but I don’t see a reason not to split out each decision to its own discussion thread.

              He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
              BE AN ADULT

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              • TezT
                Tez Administrators @KarmaBum
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                @KarmaBum I’m in favor of a thread per situation for this reason and the reason that it would be easier to track / search. So let’s call this the Hobos & Bannings Thread … Thread.

                she/they

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                • IoleRaeI
                  IoleRae
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                  How about, “If you want to discuss admin action and there’s not a thread for it already, make a thread about the action as appropriate in the feedback section under X and Y parameters” as direction to your userbase? It’s not containing it as much (to the thread) but having a specific area set aside is…close? And I think it might actually end up as less work (if you don’t make a thread for an action that people don’t care enough to make a thread about, then…it doesn’t happen, right? but if YOU make the thread, people gonna people).

                  the entity previously known as Sunny

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                  • KarmaBumK
                    KarmaBum @Tez
                    last edited by

                    Gracias, @Tez & @Pavel.

                    smoke bomb

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                    • PavelP
                      Pavel @IoleRae
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                      @IoleRae I prefer to make the thread personally. To give the air, at least, of “no, seriously, discuss it please.”

                      He/Him. Opinions and views are solely my own unless specifically stated otherwise.
                      BE AN ADULT

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                        hobos @GF
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                        @GF said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:

                        Dude seems to think there is a polite way to demand that people relive their trauma for him so he can litigate whether or not it’s valid, and that refusing to grant him that authority over their lives victimizes him. That makes him a danger, because he can’t see other people as existing outside of what he wants from them.

                        Give him a second chance in a week if you want to, but I’m getting major “ladies, don’t take a drink from him” vibes.

                        Look, the ban was fair, but implying that I’m a rapist is not fair. I wrote this huge angry post about my entire life story but thankfully I was temp banned and couldn’t post it. In short, I’m not a rapist, and you all acting like I am one and talking about the ‘trauma responses’ of my ‘victims’ … makes me doubt that every actual predator that you all have dogpiled in this hobby is even a predator at all. Considering some of the predatory behavior I’ve seen and heard of from some of you, and from those you protect by completely ignoring their abuses, it obviously has less to do with behavior and more to do with where friendship/convenience falls. If you want people to listen to you, you’re going to have to be more fair and less biased.

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                          RightMeow @hobos
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                          @hobos said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:

                          … makes me doubt that every actual predator that you all have dogpiled in this hobby is even a predator at all.

                          Nope. We are not doing this today. I understand you are upset and I am not validating their comments about you. However, we are not going to go down the road you are steering. Please just don’t. As a person who dealt with one of these people, don’t invalidate my experience because you are angry at someone or something said to you.

                          Please just don’t.

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                            hobos @RightMeow
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                            @RightMeow

                            Okay, fair enough.

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                            • MegM
                              Meg
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                              • SolsticeS
                                Solstice @hobos
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                                @hobos

                                We had a lot of fun together. I vouched for you a lot, and kept your stories alive as long as I could in-game, well past their expiration date or even after your ban; past the time that it was wise to have done so.

                                You go all in on things.

                                You’re currently all in on the complete wrong thing. Again.

                                You can’t see it right now, but I hope you do eventually. I don’t see eye to eye with everyone here on everything they talk about, and even I agree that you’re being fleeced.

                                She sucks, dude.

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                                • BloodAngelB
                                  BloodAngel @hobos
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                                  @hobos blink

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                                  • JumpscareJ
                                    Jumpscare @hobos
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                                    @hobos said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:

                                    it obviously has less to do with behavior and more to do with where friendship/convenience falls

                                    Look in the mirror for once.

                                    Please.

                                    Game-runner of Silent Heaven, a small-town horror MU.
                                    https://silentheaven.org

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                                      hobos @Jumpscare
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                                      @Jumpscare

                                      ???

                                      To me, a game runner exploiting a player for TS is pretty much always going to be worse than someone lying about who they are on the interwebs.

                                      But that judgment seems like it’s about convenience and friendship to you, somehow?

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                                      • MegM
                                        Meg @hobos
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                                        @hobos ok, here is my question. Why do you keep making this a replacement, a substitution? If Apos is so awful and you have proof, why don’t you start a thread on him?

                                        Why do you insist on making this a distraction from VulgarKitten? We are never going to focus simply on Apos as an excuse for what she did, or instead of what she did, or to distract from what she did. We can, however, talk about other creeps.

                                        Stop tying it to VulgarKitten/Monique. Stop excusing her behavior.

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                                        • farfallaF
                                          farfalla @Meg
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                                          @Meg said in hobos Temporary Ban Discussion Thread:

                                          Stop tying it to VulgarKitten/Monique. Stop excusing her behavior.

                                          VulgarKitten/Monique/hella

                                          as previously stated, good day.

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                                          • hellfrogH
                                            hellfrog @hobos
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                                            @hobos you and Hella falsely accusing someone of sexual exploitation does actual harm to people who are truly victims of this kind of behavior.

                                            I hope you can see past your spite and realize that, and stop perpetuating it.

                                            fr fr
                                            (she/her)

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