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Why is Pack closing?
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@KarmaBum That is the thing that I think is the issue. It was too similar to a WoD theme. WoD itself attracts a lot of predatory people because it is a game about being predators.
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@Cobalt That’s horrible.
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@Third-Eye said in Why is Pack closing?:
Ugh this sucks. It’s a game people really seemed to be responding to, but I definitely get opting out of the bullshit. The Worst people ruin things for everyone.
50% why I don’t run a game – I’d just get drunk and ban people in the night.
I mean, that’s more or less what I do.
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@Testament I mean, it’s what I did with the one guy I’ve had to ban so far. He got a warning before I went to bed. I woke up to reported conversations that showed he had not even listened a little bit. YEET.
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@Cobalt I think you probably meant to @-someone else, but it is admittedly the reason I never pcreated there. I enjoyed the few times I know of that I played with you over the years, but I am always wary of shifter games in particular. Too many people in WoD took it to a gross, gross place.
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, I’m so sorry.
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@KarmaBum said in Why is Pack closing?:
@Cobalt I think you probably meant to @-someone else, but it is admittedly the reason I never pcreated there. I enjoyed the few times I know of that I played with you over the years, but I am always wary of shifter games in particular. Too many people in WoD took it to a gross, gross place.
Whoops! Yeah, I meant to @ @Bessarion.
But, yeah. I love the shifter stuff, but I think the setting was just too close WoD. idk, something about the theme just…
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@Cobalt I think having the dom/sub theme that a lot of shifter games tend to have baked in can bring out a lot of the abusive assholes who want to let their inner controlling chucklefuck out while saying “it’s theme!” Both sexually, and just general posturing about how alpha they are.
It’s a real shame, because you make fun themes!
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@Cobalt said in Why is Pack closing?:
I love the shifter stuff, but I think the setting was just too close WoD.
I doubt it’s to do with the setting being close to any other setting. Weird little creeps will always feel compelled to turn their problems into your problems.
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@GF Eh. I like WoD but it definitely brings out the weirdos. It’s usually the vampires being edgelords but say that too loudly and suddenly it’s a competition.
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Suddenly realizing that the ideal solution to dealing with problematic shifter people in WoD is the very thing every game has banned.
SnekMurderDeathKillSquad shows up and… MurderDeathKills the character who is a fucking problem.
Then they leave three sea shells behind as a warning to other would-be Creeps.
Mummy Pun? MUMMY PUN!
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Characters aren’t the problem.
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@Jennkryst said in Why is Pack closing?:
Then they leave three sea shells behind as a warning to other would-be Creeps.
Sadly, they’d just app new characters to creep with.
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@Pax said in Why is Pack closing?:
@GF Eh. I like WoD but it definitely brings out the weirdos. It’s usually the vampires being edgelords but say that too loudly and suddenly it’s a competition.
With some people, everything with shifters becomes a sex thing and they go all Shang. This isn’t TS-shaming. This is saying that for these people, their character and their RP all start to center around their kinks, and they think this is what everyone else is there for, too.
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@Pax said in Why is Pack closing?:
@GF Eh. I like WoD but it definitely brings out the weirdos.
So does every game I’ve ever been on and every game I’ve ever heard people talk about on any iteration of this site.
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@GF said in Why is Pack closing?:
@Pax said in Why is Pack closing?:
@GF Eh. I like WoD but it definitely brings out the weirdos.
So does every game I’ve ever been on and every game I’ve ever heard people talk about on any iteration of this site.
Yes and no. Some themes draw more people with more problematic behavior. WoD-like games will draw more of the people who never stopped being Those Creeps From WoD Games. Like, Rex/Sovereign can and will (and has) come crawling out of the woodwork, and god knows who he might drag with him.
I am/was tek. If this means something to you, do as you see fit with this knowledge.
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@Bessarion said in Why is Pack closing?:
Rex/Sovereign can and will (and has) come crawling out of the woodwork, and god knows who he might drag with him.
I’m gonna regret this, I’m sure, but: who?
ETA: I found out and I regret it.
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@Bessarion said in Why is Pack closing?:
Yes and no. Some themes draw more people with more problematic behavior. WoD-like games will draw more of the people who never stopped being Those Creeps From WoD Games. Like, Rex/Sovereign can and will (and has) come crawling out of the woodwork, and god knows who he might drag with him.
Its true. Creeps want to be able to creep. So certain themes help them justify their creepiness. If a game encourages animalistic predators characters, animalistic predator players see an avenue where their preferred poison of creepiness might be tolerated or accepted.
Most “dark” themes apply to this which is why World of Darkness games tend to draw these types. But it isn’t the game itself. It is the creeps who try to use the theme as justification to be inappropriate in their interactions with others.
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Trigger Warning: Sexual assault, victim blaming, and narcissism.
I was not going to “name and shame” because I didn’t really want to deal with the mega-freak out that will becoming my way. But that was cowardice on my part. So here we go:
A log was presented to me of Mackenzie ICly attempting to seduce another character that was high on drugs. This is sexual assault. Full stop. And it is against the rules of this game. Further more when told OOCly that sex wouldn’t be happening in character Mackenzie player posed a “joking” disappointment. Then after that, the scene that followed to the “next morning” was so full of gaslighting, victim blaming, and a classic narcissistic spiral that I was left deeply disturbed OOC.
She proceeded to roll dice to convince her victim, IC, that they had had sex after for a very large portion of the scene. Where she ICly berated and talked down to her victim. And yes, that was all IC, but given I clearly laid out in my policies that sexual assault RP is not acceptable it is not ok. And, further, I 100% guarantee that this player was not doing this with the OOC knowledge she was RPing out the gaslighting and abusive of a victim of potential sexual assault. It came across, very much, that she was OOCly upset she was told no for tinysex and so was going to punish the player who turned her down with nasty IC drama.
When told to leave IC she refused to do. and her final pose was so overwrought with narcissistic manipulation I legitimately had a flash back to abuse suffered by an RL ex-partner.
This was 100% the final straw. It is 100% RP I did not want to facilitate.
I don’t know what about the theme here drew this type of player, but no one should have to deal with this sort of BS. And if I’ve facilitated a theme that makes people think they can do this? I will not continue to facilitate it.
To continue to name and shame:
I have been told (by more than one person) that Mackenzie@Pack was Macha@MSB.
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