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JKER Banned Discussion Thread
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I appreciate people running a game or forum or anything making a very earnest attempt at being fair minded, but yeah I wouldn’t lose sleep about this one.
Sure, I go through the ‘what if they are well meaning but being silly’ motions too, like yeah okay maybe someone they cared about was called creepy unfairly and they get really set off by it, but I don’t think that was likely. The DM thing didn’t sit right with me for another reason, because there’s two likely possibilities really:
Either:
- The person has a huge, longstanding grudge with lolRae and was able to immediately think of a thread from whenever ago on a whole different forum for why they disliked them. I can’t think of someone like that coming to another board but to pick a fight, and they aren’t gonna be someone that will make the forum a more fun place to be if that’s the case.
Or:
- They have never heard of lolRae before, and incredibly obsessively searched through MSB until they found something about them they thought made lolRae look bad and then shared it with a stranger. And while I think the term creepy might get thrown around more than it should, holy fuck that would actually be super creepy. Let’s just say no to super angry obsessive stalker types tyvm.
So sure maybe they were someone that’s normally chill and having a bad day but uh, yeah.
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@Apos said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
- The person has a huge, longstanding grudge with lolRae and was able to immediately think of a thread from whenever ago on a whole different forum for why they disliked them.
This was literally my knee-jerk reaction when I initially read about the whole DM matter. And really, it’s still kind of my take on it, because I’ve seen nothing yet to that suggests otherwise. Why else would someone go out of there way to dig through another forum to make some kind of point.
To me, there was personal interest in dragging someone else that I wouldn’t even call ‘internet beef’.
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@Apos said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
- The person has a huge, longstanding grudge with lolRae and was able to immediately think of a thread from whenever ago on a whole different forum for why they disliked them.
I absolutely assume this is the case.
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this is bullshit, people are only supposed to have grudges with ME
Someone make me staff on a game, quick. i’ve got work to do.
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I am for my own sanity assuming it’s a flying monkey for the same person who sicced Hobos on me. The alternatives are more than I’d like to contemplate. I know there is more than one big jerk out there, but this sort of unprovoked nastiness requires a grudge, and I don’t like to think there’s more of them than her and Spider. They observed how I reacted to Hobos and the PMing once upon a time, so it was a low hanging fruit.
the entity previously known as Sunny
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@hellfrog said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
this is bullshit, people are only supposed to have grudges with ME
Someone make me staff on a game, quick. i’ve got work to do.
I will have a grudge with you, but only if it turns into an epic rivalry that ends with tossing each other off a cliff or nuclear war or something.
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@hellfrog said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
this is bullshit, people are only supposed to have grudges with ME
Someone make me staff on a game, quick. i’ve got work to do.
I can’t enjoy mangos anymore as they make me irrationally angry and I blame you for this.
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@IoleRae said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I am for my own sanity assuming it’s a flying monkey for the same person who sicced Hobos on me. The alternatives are more than I’d like to contemplate. I know there is more than one big jerk out there, but this sort of unprovoked nastiness requires a grudge, and I don’t like to think there’s more of them than her and Spider.
Honestly, it didn’t even occur to me to frame this situation in this way. I’m glad this person is gone. I would be fine if this became the way mods deal with this type of activity in the future.
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@helvetica said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
Listen, Darkest Timeline @Pax - I don’t think it’s constructive to cry foul on @Warma-Sheen rn. You’d have my upvote if it weren’t for that.
“Creepiness” is a moving target and I think @hellfrog has an excellent take on that in the other thread.
@Tez was talkin rules, and Warma answered in rules-speak to demonstrate a point. Using an exaggeration to express concern about where a line is drawn =/= malevolent intent.
Yeah, it wasn’t an argument that he didn’t do anything wrong. Or that he was right about what he said. He made a very personal attack for seemingly no particular reason so I’m definitely in agreement that he should be held accountable for inappropriate actions.
At the time, I posted, this was in the other thread wherein the definition of ‘creepy’ was being discussed. I didn’t find it to be behavior defined as ‘creepy’. That was all.
@GF said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
This doesn’t rise to my personal standards of being creepy. The word I’d use is… actually, the word I’d use is probably not permissible under the terms of service, so let’s stay polite and stick with “unacceptable.”
Yeah. That.
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@hellfrog said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
this is bullshit, people are only supposed to have grudges with ME
Someone make me staff on a game, quick. i’ve got work to do.
I would unironically play a an incredibly meta MU* set in an absurdist reality where the staff and darlings of an insular forum are the world’s last line of defense against a horde of anonymous grudge-bearers from their pasts. You could call it The Past of Us and when the sockpuppet facades of the villains fall apart they level up into their final fantasy endboss forms. Only the power of upvotes and memes can vanquish them.
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@STD said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
The impression I had was that folk here generally assume bad faith unless they personally know the person making the post. Now, of course, individuals are free to assume whatever vile motivations others have, but I guess I just want… confirmation?
but, like
I’ve no dog in this hunt (and haven’t even read the thread in question)
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@shit-piss-love said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
@hellfrog said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
this is bullshit, people are only supposed to have grudges with ME
Someone make me staff on a game, quick. i’ve got work to do.
I would unironically play a an incredibly meta MU* set in an absurdist reality where the staff and darlings of an insular forum are the world’s last line of defense against a horde of anonymous grudge-bearers from their pasts. You could call it The Past of Us and when the sockpuppet facades of the villains fall apart they level up into their final fantasy endboss forms. Only the power of upvotes and memes can vanquish them.
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I can only learn to code so fast
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@hellfrog Okay, but I want to play the role of Destiny.
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The other thing I have to say from this, is thanks @hellfrog – something you said once upon a time that I would quote here if I could that the advice really stuck with me, but I was left with the impression of the advice about people talking behind your back (it was about just continuing to show up), and it percolated for a long time. I think it was said to somebody else, even, but.
I really don’t have to care about this. I don’t have to worry that y’all are going to believe this random wacky person just because they said something. I am a known quantity. I do have flaws (hooboy), but being a bigot isn’t one of them. I don’t have to be scared, because I can just keep being me and that’s plenty.
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@helvetica said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
Listen, Darkest Timeline @Pax
I will only be responding to Darkest Timeline Pax henceforth tyvm.
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idk why this is even being talked about. JKER was being an asshole from the beginning, but like why slide into someone’s DMs to talk about someone else entirely if you aren’t here to stir up shit? Like IDEK @IoleRae but if some rando DM’d me with a link to something she said years ago I’d be like LOL what? It’s not creepy, it’s just petty and clearly designed to start shit.
I’m in a bad mood 99.9% of the time and I have yet to DM anyone with a random MSB link to show how someone is an asshole.
ETA: Random if there at the end. Probably had a thought that I couldn’t finish lol
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k I’m a dork, I didn’t respond to this earlier and I keep feeling bad about not, so I’m just gonna post AGAIN.
It’s OK. I accept your apology, but it’s not needed. I appreciate that y’all let me have my initial reaction without ire, and I appreciate that you took the time to decide and discuss as a group. I also appreciate that @Pavel abstained. This was handled appropriately, and if I’m ever on the receiving end of these deliberations, I would absolutely want it handled this way. It’s all good.
eta: once the light of day hit, this made me feel safer, not less safe. Thank you.
the entity previously known as Sunny
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@IoleRae said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
I also appreciate that @Pavel abstained.
I should abstain from decisions more often.
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@STD said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
@Polk said in JKER Temporarily Banned Discussion Thread:
Bad faith posting is generally worthy of some sort of administrative action.
I’ve no dog in this hunt (and haven’t even read the thread in question), and this might be a slight tangent, but…
The impression I had was that folk here generally assume bad faith unless they personally know the person making the post. At the very least, people sure to seem to assume bad faith about anyone who comes here to defend whatever game is currently being castigated. Many times that attitude ends up being warranted, I concede that, but it is still something about this forum that really bothers me. There are accusations of bad faith in this very thread discussing bad faith! It’s recursive bad faith! Bad faith all the way down!
I don’t know most of y’all. For me, my read on ‘bad faith’ is not from how well I know you, but my finely-honed troll radar from years moderating political comments sections.
Yeah.
I know how to spot the guy ‘just asking questions’ but is really pushing some unpleasant political view.
I know how to spot the guy who is looking to be disruptive.
I know how to spot the guy who is looking to provoke things to use against the community.
You learn how to distinguish someone who’s here to discuss, from someone who’s here with an agenda. That’s bad faith posting, in my view. If you’re not joining a community to engage with the community, but rather you’re here to use the community in some way, or attack it, or damage it, you’re not engaging in good faith.
JKER was not posting here to join here. JKER was posting here to get revenge for a perceived grievance elsewhere, hence the crazy DMs.
