Numetal/Retromux
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@Roadspike said in Numetal/Retromux:
But the response to Staff going, “Um… hold on a sec” would be very telling, and would decide if I went scorched earth or just nuked all but one character and gave them a warning.
My response in my situation was literally:
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Whoops, @Gashlycrumb I was out somewhere doin’ thangs and forgot to evidentiate what i’m talking about.
You’re Scarpia, here’s how i know,
(redacting a screen shot where it was gashlycrumb talking to me on discord about his alt)
Took me a minute to find it because I forgot I blocked you the day I banned you because you never respond to boundaries with “OK”, you’d respond to them with fucking Atlas Shrugged. That’s the problem. You wouldn’t leave people alone.
et cetera. And this is what I can find by half-ass looking for your screen name on Discord while I’m on vacation. I wonder what is actually on my harddrive at home. Point is, no, nobody is ever banned for one tiny little harmless incident. You got banned due to a larger pattern of behavior of repeatedly sandbagging people who didn’t want contact with you.
The line you say of “but did not want to go so far as to ask the pager not to contact them” is just shifting responsibility onto others for not spelling it out for you instead of acknowledging your behavior was draining and unwelcome. And in fact, I think I did spell it out for you, repeatedly, but since I don’t have access to logs since i’m not home, whatever, let’s say I didn’t. You’re still shifting responsibility onto others for not spelling it out, instead of acknowledging your behavior was draining and unwelcome.
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Wait a minute,
@Gashlycrumb said in Numetal/Retromux:The recent actual banning that had me raising eyebrows was for the hideous crime of paging people asking for RP when those people wanted to avoid the pager but did not want to go so far as to ask the pager not to contact them. That shit is harsh.
So you’re admitting people were avoiding you and spin it as their fault for not giving you a formal ‘do not talk to me’ WHILE dismissing the whole thing sarcastically as a “hideous crime”? Bruh. That’s WILD. Shit like this is why I banned you, man, boundary disrespecting shit like this right here.
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@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
Hey @LeeRoyBatty, when can we run a FATAL game?
I have several better ideas, but gotta kidnap that coder…
@Pavel said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Alamias No excuse, please commit seppuku by dawn tomorrow, thank you.
I can only assume this means L5R, which is on the list, so go go go? A discussion to be had elsewhere.
@labsunlimited said in Numetal/Retromux:
We all have to share the spotlight on a MU* or this kind of thing happens. I sometimes wonder if WOD could have been better if the mechanics and narrative were better suited to that, like the 2013 MET LARP ruleset, since that’s designed for games of like 15-20 people over 3-5 in tabletop.
I’m on record somewhere agreeing with this, it could stand a test run somewhere if nobody has tried it yet.
@Jumpscare said in Numetal/Retromux:
@dvoraen said in Numetal/Retromux:
I couldn’t think of how to do an inverse to “Hog Pit.”
First you ban someone who replied to a do-not-interact request with “message received.” The rest just happens organically.
First, we need to foolishly hand over the keys to a robot cat lawyer.
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Don’t know what I just spent an hour reading but it’s helped me deal with waking up at 330am and kill some time lol.
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@Roadspike said in Numetal/Retromux:
@sao I was trying to come up with a situation too, but I couldn’t. I did want to leave the door open, because there are very few things I want to be an absolutist about.
I could imagine something like the delirium situation @MisterBoring mentioned, or it being a month or two in between creating a character you never played and creating a new character because you forgot about the first one, or getting so excited about the concept that you forgot that there were no alts allowed and submitted a new character.
But the response to Staff going, “Um… hold on a sec” would be very telling, and would decide if I went scorched earth or just nuked all but one character and gave them a warning.
I can’t really think of a situation where someone would accidentally make a character (aside from the one MisterBoring outlined), but I can imagine someone accidentally breaking a no alts rule by incorrectly assuming that a game regularly conducts idle purges if, hey, turns out they don’t.
I mean, I know that I’ve made characters on a game, not really had them jive before, and then go back to the place a year or more later with a new concept, in a new sphere, with a different group of friends. Granted, I also did check if my old login still worked, but that was more out of idle curiosity than anything else and hey! It turned out that said character had in fact been deleted, so my assumption was correct. But I’ve also made a handful of characters that I ditched so quickly that my recollection of them was, “Ohh, god. What was her name. Uhhh, she was a Daeva, that I made with my friend Matt, and her name started with an I… she was a lawyer… or something?” on a game that I know didn’t purge their database literally ever because I had friends who staffed there.
So I think an easy workaround for what I’m describing and even what happened to MisterBoring is effectively what that staffer in MisterBoring’s case did–check and see if said alt has been played actively or logged in recently. If the answer is ‘no’, then it’s probably a case of assuming idle purges like Ares games do or a foggy memory. If the answer is ‘yes’, then you’ve likely got a deliberate rule breaker and do what you will.
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@Aria Yeah, I can definitely see that happening. So as with any rule enforcement, one should probably initially assume cock-up over conspiracy and chat before banning.
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@LeeRoyBatty said in Numetal/Retromux:
You’re Scarpia, here’s how i know,
Yes. I am. It is pretty telling that you assume that this is a secret I suck at keeping, It is something I’m just too lazy to make more obvious. Veiled threats to dox people are a great quality in any MUer, especially, staff.
First screenshot — Wow! I actually remember this conversation. This is fucking amazing because of the volume of whisky it took to get through listening to you tell me that if I just wasn’t so boring and ran plots, players who didn’t exist would come out. I had to pour to refrain from reminding you that you couldn’t attract or retain players, required approval for PRPs but refused to take the time to discuss my plot pitches, and that it was you, not I, who had signed up for the role of Cam RP staff.
You claimed everybody was afraid to RP with me because I might say mean things about them on MSB. But that was not everybody, that was you. And you were the only person rain-checking me. Unbelievably enough, it typically took four or six reschedules, each time involving me waiting an hour to see if you’d show. You refused to do stuff async in the +job. Nice to see you were admitting that it was purposeful. You castigated me about my lack of respect for your time and said it was ableist of me to expect you to keep appointments because ADHD.
Second screenshot — the active cam players not minding your banning me didn’t mean much when that consisted of me and a couple who never came out of their room. If there were others, they didn’t play when I was on.
Third screenshot — This just shows that you lied to me about your feelings about that incident and had dismissed some highly relevant shit that I told you about it. And it gives the strong impression that you’d been bitching about me on your staff channel before it happened. That’s interesting because, well, we clashed at opening, and then things went along fine and fun until then. So was I supposed to have known I was unwelcome and left in spite of you saying we were fine AND approving me, neither of which you had to do?
You should explain what “The Registry” was for the people in the back.
Screenshots of you complaining about me don’t prove I was behaving badly or that I was disliked. Funny, one of the last of your lectures/rants/advice sessions was about how I should be happy because I topped the +votes and +recs every month and was obviously well-liked. +votes were just XP farming, but there’s no explanation for the +recs that doesn’t involve players wanting to compliment me. Why the hell would you tell me that when you wanted me to leave?
You are right that it wasn’t a ‘single harmless incident.’ There was a long-standing pattern of you acting like an absolute twatwurst and then getting real mad that I didn’t like it and denying that it was hostile.
Sure, I was a buzz-kill. It was ugly to watch. But I didn’t have to do anything to be a buzz-kill, besides log on and want to play. This is why you accused me of “complaining on the looking for RP channel” when what I did was join it and not say anything.
People left over your confrontational and inconsistent GMing. This messed me up – you really liked one of them and were sad they left. They found you hostile and had a panic attack when they learned they’d been RPing with your PC. This kept me questioning the intent of your hostile behaviour toward me. Which you consistently denied was intentional.
I should have left, but we’d been good friends. I liked you and gave you too many chances, and you did shit like act all delighted to see me when I did leave and logged back on again a week later to @mail someone. Still my mistake.
I shouldn’t have been there at all, since when we met you were staff on Sheltering Sky, playing an illegal alt that the other staff there saw as a problem player, and complaining about staff and other players. I knew you were untrustworthy and trusted you anyway, absolute muppet that I am. My bad.
But those bads were me being naive and loyal, not malicious. The night before you de-approved me was the actual moment when I finally and completely gave up on you.
So you’re admitting people were avoiding you and spin it as their fault for not giving you a formal ‘do not talk to me’ WHILE dismissing the whole thing sarcastically as a “hideous crime”? Bruh. That’s WILD. Shit like this is why I banned you, man, boundary disrespecting shit like this right here.
No, on all counts. That was not me. Nor was Ryen the name. The person said they did not know the other players were avoiding them and had played with them recently.
Also. “shifting responsibility onto others for not spelling it out” line is bullshit. If you want another player to leave you alone, it is your responsibility to tell them, or at the very least, stop chatting with them. “Do as I say, not as I do,” is unfair, but “Do as I wish, not as I say,” is untenable. MUs are a text-only neurodiverse space.
Y’know, I did notice that MN was dead less than three months later. What happened? Was it just no fun without somebody to fume about and blame? Did you pick the wrong replacement scapegoat and destroy a friendship you cared about?
"This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard!"
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You’re not actually engaging with the point. You’re instead throwing out all wild manner of insulting bullshit to shift the conversation onto me instead of your behavior you don’t want to stay in focus.
Players asked me to keep you away from them. Period. That’s not me being the only critic, that’s me as staff doing my job as staff. People who want no contact aren’t going to contact you. It’s literally the opposite of what they want. Advocating for players is the core function of staff, and so it was me who talked to you directly, not the people who wanted no contact.
MN declined because of choices I made and I have reflected on them. Once lockdown ended, I frankly didn’t want to keep dealing with situations exactly like this one. I regret letting the game decline, and I know what I’d do differently, but honestly? I’d rather be bad at running a MUSH than unable to understand or respect boundaries or take responsibility for my own faults.
Now as for that first screen shot, doxing is the exposure of PII, which a discord conversation about your role play character isn’t. But for your comfort, I’ll remove that one, since its utility was to just confirm that you RPed the character and you’ve confirmed it.
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@Gashlycrumb Been waiting for this reply. Didn’t realize I’d learn a new, amazing word in the process.
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@Muscle-Car Tell me, though, honestly. Are we pronouncing both Ws as Vs (as is the German way) or just the one? So is it tvatvurst or twatvurst?
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Is…any of this stuff that happened on Retro?
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@Wyrmsign HAHA omg no, Scarpia was years ago. I just don’t sit quietly when people minimize what got them banned. I’ve made my point though and I’m sure when or if I open a new game we can have a thread about it.
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So… who was whom on Sheltering Skies? Because I still have popcorn, damnit.
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I played Niyah and then later Khoi, and my staff account was Killdeer. Scarpia was Scarpia. He played the same character on SS and I invited him to play on MN because he felt like staff was targeting him on SS and he was having trouble with finding satisfying RP with other players.
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Yeah, uh, even before the other perspective came out I was sitting here thinking that screenshots of you complaining about someone doesn’t prove anything.
I complain about people with my friends. But if I’m going to accuse them of being a shitstain in public I’m bringing RECEIPTS.
Do you have anything more substantial for those of us in the peanut gallery?
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@Pavel tw@tworst
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@Pavel First w in the English manner, second w in the German manner, at least for me, when I steal it shamelessly.
Formerly known as Seraphim73 (he/him)
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@Roadspike said in Numetal/Retromux:
@Pavel First w in the English manner, second w in the German manner, at least for me, when I steal it shamelessly.
This is the way.
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@Jenn It is known.
