AI Megathread
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This response perfectly illustrates my points. The focus is squarely on continuing the witch hunt rather than considering how it impacts real creators or understanding the actual humans you’re supposedly trying to engage with on a game. There’s no empathy for false accusations or collateral damage to innocent writers.
I’m not saying anyone should RP with anyone else for any reason. There are a host of reasons to not RP with someone, including using AI for any part of the RP process. I know people who won’t RP on Ares games that focus on async RP. That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their own boundaries.
My point is how people address those boundaries. There’s a world of difference between “I prefer not to RP with people who use AI tools” and attacking others as “disrespectful” or their writing as “bullshit.” Some are simply using AI as an excuse to engage aggressively with other people. That’s what I feel is wrong.
Thankfully this forum allows us to unfollow/watch threads. I’ll be doing that here because there clearly is no actual intent to have a meaningful discussion—just shaming, name calling, and attacking. I have zero interest in participating in that kind of environment.
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@Raistlin To be fair, I think it started with the intent to have meaningful discussion. But it just devolved into hyperbolic rhetoric with all the name calling and shaming after a while. Sometimes people who “feel passionately” about a subject justify less-than-great actions with their emotions.
Maybe that’s most threads that go on long enough. But I do think it started with good intent.
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I also think it’s a trust issue, and a trust issue that is almost entirely in the “you just have to trust me” category. Just like trusting the person on the other side of the screen isn’t a stalker who keeps changing their identity so they can chargen a new character to interact with you or trusting that people you are having a private scene with or worse TSing aren’t sharing those logs with their friends to laugh at your writing, there isn’t a way to outright protect yourself and verify that it isn’t happening. It’s too easy for the other person to obfuscate. So instead of allowing for grey area, people have to make it a firm black or white issue, because if there is grey area, when you catch someone, it becomes a whole ordeal figuring out if what they did was wrong. When it’s black and white, there doesn’t have to be any time spent on nuance. -
@Raistlin said in AI Megathread:
rather than considering how it impacts real creators
@Raistlin said in AI Megathread:
or understanding the actual humans you’re supposedly trying to engage with on a game. There’s no empathy for false accusations
Of course there is. Most people (in this community) know that AI detector tools are not a silver bullet. Most people would feel badly upon finding out that someone accused of using AI had not, in fact, used AI, in the same way that all false accusations garner empathy if they are disproved.
What most people are expressing is the desire for transparency, to know if AI was used to create the content they are engaging with in the MU* space, and if there was more of that, I expect there would be less false accusations to go along with it.
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@Raistlin said in AI Megathread:
There’s a world of difference between “I prefer not to RP with people who use AI tools” and attacking others as “disrespectful” or their writing as “bullshit.”
I don’t personally feel that calling a behavior “disrespectful” is a personal attack. I feel that online piracy is disrespectful to creators. I push back against those who feel that it’s a “victimless crime”. That doesn’t mean I think everyone who pirated GoT rather than pay for HBO is evil incarnate.
In other news, ChatGPT fails hilariously at MapMaking 101.
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I just desperately want a solid science / math AI to do something newsworthy, like invent a 3d printer resin with no toxic fumes, or cure a disease. I feel like by the time that comes around, people are going to distrust AI in general so much that they just ignore it. I can see it now:
Science AI model releases an open source schematic for a water powered drive system for cars that gets 450 miles to a gallon of water and can drive at freeway speeds. crickets
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@Trashcan said in AI Megathread:
Most people would feel badly upon finding out that someone accused of using AI had not, in fact, used AI, in the same way that all false accusations garner empathy if they are disproved.
Just to touch on this note a little, without directly correcting you in particular: While it’s true that most people would feel bad upon finding out it was a false accusation, I imagine that actually finding that out would be extraordinarily difficult. The lie, or false accusation in this case, being halfway around the world before the truth has even gotten its pants on. With the additional problem being that any ‘evidence’ offered to the contrary would likely be deemed insufficient or an additional lie. So making those accusations should be done with utmost care and the expectation of being wrong, if they’re made at all.
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@MisterBoring said in AI Megathread:
Science AI model releases an open source schematic for a water powered drive system for cars that gets 450 miles to a gallon of water and can drive at freeway speeds. crickets
That’s not driving advertising dollars and making anyone’s money. ChatGPT does…somehow…
Honestly, I see a lot of promise in narrowly-tailored AI designed to wade through data and do pattern-recognition, but that’s not atm a money-maker for anyone.
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@Third-Eye Agreed. I recall reading somewhere that an AI program could detect the very, very, very early stages of some kinds of cancers far more quickly and consistently than a human. That’s the sort of thing AI should be used for, not art.
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@Third-Eye said in AI Megathread:
@MisterBoring said in AI Megathread:
Science AI model releases an open source schematic for a water powered drive system for cars that gets 450 miles to a gallon of water and can drive at freeway speeds. crickets
That’s not driving advertising dollars and making anyone’s money. ChatGPT does…somehow…
Honestly, I see a lot of promise in narrowly-tailored AI designed to wade through data and do pattern-recognition, but that’s not atm a money-maker for anyone.
And to say this (bolded part) is beyond ironic is a colossal understatement. How much money would be saved having a properly trained AI do the work of what would otherwise be thousands of data analysts? Part of the point of an AI is to be able to do the things a human cannot do, because a computer’s speed is significantly higher.
AI has potential, but oh boy are “we” more determined to churn out slop than quality with it, right now.
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@Pavel said in AI Megathread:
@Third-Eye Agreed. I recall reading somewhere that an AI program could detect the very, very, very early stages of some kinds of cancers far more quickly and consistently than a human. That’s the sort of thing AI should be used for, not art.
There is research like that in the medical spaces, but that’s not the GenAI that this thread is complaining about. Those are specialized machine learning algorithms. “AI” is such an overbroad term, it’s like saying “the internet” and encompassing everything from 4chan to AP News.
@Third-Eye said in AI Megathread:
That’s not driving advertising dollars and making anyone’s money. ChatGPT does…somehow…
Actually, ChatGPT and most of the other GenAI platforms are a huge money pit. Ed Zitron writes about this a lot (example). The investors keep buying the hype that it’ll do a vague something revolutionary someday.
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@Faraday said in AI Megathread:
The investors keep buying the hype that it’ll do a vague something revolutionary someday.
So if I reskin a chatgpt interface and “hire” some “researchers” I also get money?
I could claim that a Faraday is on my team when the venture capitalists ask questions…
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@Pavel said in AI Megathread:
So if I reskin a chatgpt interface and “hire” some “researchers” I also get money?
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@Hobbie said in AI Megathread:
@Pavel said in AI Megathread:
So if I reskin a chatgpt interface and “hire” some “researchers” I also get money?
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Not an accident, I’m just reading from How To Make Money by E. Holmes.
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@Third-Eye said in AI Megathread:
wade through data and do pattern-recognition, but that’s not atm a money-maker for anyone.
This is what I do for a living.
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@Trashcan said in AI Megathread:
What most people are expressing is the desire for transparency, to know if AI was used to create the content they are engaging with in the MU* space, and if there was more of that, I expect there would be less false accusations to go along with it.
There’s even a real-world example of this! That one Ares L&L game that used AI and was quickly called out for not disclosing it.
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@Third-Eye said in AI Megathread:
@MisterBoring said in AI Megathread:
Science AI model releases an open source schematic for a water powered drive system for cars that gets 450 miles to a gallon of water and can drive at freeway speeds. crickets
That’s not driving advertising dollars and making anyone’s money. ChatGPT does…somehow…
Honestly, I see a lot of promise in narrowly-tailored AI designed to wade through data and do pattern-recognition, but that’s not atm a money-maker for anyone.
This is already being done? There are many companies who use AI tools for data sorting and pattern recognition. It came out a few years ago in the public accounting space and is used for “efficiency” - we were forced to utilize these tools after the company I previously worked for dropped hundreds of thousands of dollars in creating it. When I was using it, it was more trouble than it’s worth but it’s definitely a thing.
AI is a big topic right now in business circles, specifically around data sorting. I’m not sure why you think it’s not a money maker? It’s a huge topic of conversation and it is concerning for me in particular as a CPA because eventually AI will be able to do a lot of what I currently do.
ETA because I don’t actually understand the comment. Who is it not a money-maker for anyone to? The people who design the AI and are going to make HEAPS of money implementing it in the businesses they go to? The people who are currently working in data analytics, finance and other data-driven fields who will eventually be replaced by robots? I mean damn near every day I am inundated with Linkedin requests and cold calls trying to peddle their AI-driven accounts payable programs or credit card such-and-such or financial statement reporting programs. My whole executive team was tasked with determining their AI spend for the next year. It’s a huge, big deal that could impact many, many lives.
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@bear_necessities said in AI Megathread:
It’s a huge topic of conversation
In your circles. It’s not part of the general zeitgeist, so it’s easily missed or ignored.
90% of conversation about “AI” isn’t about anything actually useful, it’s about this generative nonsense, so it’s easy to make the assumption that that’s where 90% of the money is going.
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@Pavel said in AI Megathread:
In your circles. It’s not part of the general zeitgeist, so it’s easily missed or ignored.
I actually can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not. The world of finance and business is not exactly my small little circle here.
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@bear_necessities said in AI Megathread:
The world of finance and business is not exactly my small little circle here.
Many of the applications is fin/biz are using specific Machine Learning, rather than Generative AI. Whole different ballgame.
Though there certainly are some crappy GenAI uses (replacing blog post writers with shallow slop, replacing customer service agents with unhelpful bots, and the like), this is not a big profit center for anyone. OpenAI lost 5 billion last year while making only 3.7 billion in revenue. 3.7b is certainly not chump change for us normal folk, but for a megacorp like that it’s pitiful and unsustainable. In contrast, for example, Apple made 95 billion in the fourth quarter alone.
